Coming off after 10 years non stop self administered "trt" MISSION IMPOSSIBLE RECOVERY

[coaster1215]

So, firstly - I am completely aware I have a <1% chance of ever making a FULL recovery and the chances are I'm going to end up on TRT for life. But anyway - always up for a challenge and I hope this gives others who are in a similar situation some motivation.

Straight to the story:
Hopped on at age 21 - Testosterone cypionate 250mg(1ml) weekly
Never hopped off. (go figure)
Never used any other compounds
Never blasted higher/ Cruised on lower
Just straight 250mg test cyp every week for 10 years straight

Throughout the 10 years I have been keeping E2 in range with aromasin 6.25mg EOD
Never used HCG (I know....)

Why did I hop on? A mixture of ex eating disorder sufferer as a teenager plus an "all or nothing" personality.

As a natural I got down to almost competition levels of conditioning - I felt how shit life was as a 6-8%BF natty (no energy, no libido etc) - figured I had two options, either sustain a more healthy bodyfat naturally or start exogenously injecting testosterone to maintain this level of leanness whilst being happy. So I chose the red pill.

Now I'm maturing and realizing all this was doing was masking my eating disorder/mental health. I feel like its time to face my bullshit head on.

The reason I'm want to come off? Simple - I never should have jumped on gear.
The physique I'm happy with is 100% totally achievable naturally
Nothing about my goals in the gym required gear
The gear use was just adding to my eating disorder and body dysmorphia - I'm ready to face those demons and I realise I absolutely do not wan to be a slave to something I dont need

So lets get straight to the ****ing fun part shall we
Blood attached - last ever set of bloods taken around 4 days after my last pin

Fun times ahead...

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

Good luck to you. If you give us a bit more detail about your recovery protocol, we may be able to suggest some things. You'll want to get your Vitamin D over 50 in a safe way (including K2). Something that I've seen no mention of but which might help is cow testicle capsules. I had always thought that was unlikely to do anything, however I heard Paul Saladino say recently that there is apparently some evidence that it acts a signaling molecule, so I've added to my protocol and it seems to help although there's no way to know for sure. I would avoid going to failure on any of your sets and instead focus on more sets with near-maximal weights. Avoiding the stress on your nervous system that max-effort reps create should help your recovery ability from your workouts without costing any strength or progress over the long term.

 

[Vince]

So, firstly - I am completely aware I have a <1% chance of ever making a FULL recovery and the chances are I'm going to end up on TRT for life. But anyway - always up for a challenge and I hope this gives others who are in a similar situation some motivation.

Straight to the story:
Hopped on at age 21 - Testosterone cypionate 250mg(1ml) weekly
Never hopped off. (go figure)
Never used any other compounds
Never blasted higher/ Cruised on lower
Just straight 250mg test cyp every week for 10 years straight

Throughout the 10 years I have been keeping E2 in range with aromasin 6.25mg EOD
Never used HCG (I know....)

Why did I hop on? A mixture of ex eating disorder sufferer as a teenager plus an "all or nothing" personality.

As a natural I got down to almost competition levels of conditioning - I felt how shit life was as a 6-8%BF natty (no energy, no libido etc) - figured I had two options, either sustain a more healthy bodyfat naturally or start exogenously injecting testosterone to maintain this level of leanness whilst being happy. So I chose the red pill.

Now I'm maturing and realizing all this was doing was masking my eating disorder/mental health. I feel like its time to face my bullshit head on.

The reason I'm want to come off? Simple - I never should have jumped on gear.
The physique I'm happy with is 100% totally achievable naturally
Nothing about my goals in the gym required gear
The gear use was just adding to my eating disorder and body dysmorphia - I'm ready to face those demons and I realise I absolutely do not wan to be a slave to something I dont need

So lets get straight to the ****ing fun part shall we
Blood attached - last ever set of bloods taken around 4 days after my last pin

Fun times ahead...View attachment 51907

Just live a completely clean life and I believe you will fully recover. I know many men that did.

 

[Willyt]

Why not work your way down gradually before going cold turkey? You are in for a rough ride (but you know that already)

 

[coaster1215]

Good luck to you. If you give us a bit more detail about your recovery protocol, we may be able to suggest some things. You'll want to get your Vitamin D over 50 in a safe way (including K2). Something that I've seen no mention of but which might help is cow testicle capsules. I had always thought that was unlikely to do anything, however I heard Paul Saladino say recently that there is apparently some evidence that it acts a signaling molecule, so I've added to my protocol and it seems to help although there's no way to know for sure. I would avoid going to failure on any of your sets and instead focus on more sets with near-maximal weights. Avoiding the stress on your nervous system that max-effort reps create should help your recovery ability from your workouts without costing any strength or progress over the long term.

Thank you so much; so my plan is

4 weeks of HCG 2500UI Every other day

Then begin after 4 weeks of HCG begin 6 weeks of clomid and nolvadex

 

[coaster1215]

Why not work your way down gradually before going cold turkey? You are in for a rough ride (but you know that already)

I just want out - I know if i stay on i'll just end up on. But I get where you're coming from

 

[coaster1215]

Just live a completely clean life and I believe you will fully recover. I know many men that did.

Gives me hope. thanks
Ive never smokes, never drunk alcohol, never done any other recreational drugs

This is my only slip up and I hope whoevers watching over me gives me a chance to recover and father a child one day

 

[madman]

So, firstly - I am completely aware I have a <1% chance of ever making a FULL recovery and the chances are I'm going to end up on TRT for life. But anyway - always up for a challenge and I hope this gives others who are in a similar situation some motivation.

Straight to the story:
Hopped on at age 21 - Testosterone cypionate 250mg(1ml) weekly
Never hopped off. (go figure)
Never used any other compounds
Never blasted higher/ Cruised on lower
Just straight 250mg test cyp every week for 10 years straight

Throughout the 10 years I have been keeping E2 in range with aromasin 6.25mg EOD
Never used HCG (I know....)

Why did I hop on? A mixture of ex eating disorder sufferer as a teenager plus an "all or nothing" personality.

As a natural I got down to almost competition levels of conditioning - I felt how shit life was as a 6-8%BF natty (no energy, no libido etc) - figured I had two options, either sustain a more healthy bodyfat naturally or start exogenously injecting testosterone to maintain this level of leanness whilst being happy. So I chose the red pill.

Now I'm maturing and realizing all this was doing was masking my eating disorder/mental health. I feel like its time to face my bullshit head on.

The reason I'm want to come off? Simple - I never should have jumped on gear.
The physique I'm happy with is 100% totally achievable naturally
Nothing about my goals in the gym required gear
The gear use was just adding to my eating disorder and body dysmorphia - I'm ready to face those demons and I realise I absolutely do not wan to be a slave to something I dont need

So lets get straight to the ****ing fun part shall we
Blood attached - last ever set of bloods taken around 4 days after my last pin

Fun times ahead...View attachment 51907

Your calling 250 mg T/week TRT?

Therapeutic dose of T is 100-200 mg T/week whether once weekly or split into more frequent injections
as in twice-weekly, M/W/F, EOD or daily.

Even then the majority of men can easily hit a healthy let alone high trough FT injecting 100-150 mg T/week especially when split into more frequent injections.

Are there some outliers that may need the higher-end therapeutic dose 200 mg/week.....sure but it is FAR from COMMON as in RARE!

200 mg T/week would have the MAJORITY of MEN OVERF**KING MEDICATED plain and simple!

Even then there will be a minor difference in size/strength injecting 200 vs 250 mg T.

Most using/abusing T for the sole purpose of enhancing muscle/strength would consider 300 mg T/week getting your feet wet!

400-600 mg T/week is where it as this is where anabolism is thrown into overdrive!

Of course you pushed beyond the top-end therapeutic dose of T (200 mg) as your goal was to take advantage of the anabolic properties of T for the sole purpose of muscle/strength enhancement.

I would say your UGL gear is overdosed or you were injecting more as there is no way you are hitting a ridiculous TT 113 nmol/L (3259 ng/dL) 4 days post-injection!

250 mg T /week would have ones peak TT (8-24 hrs) post-injection topping out around 78-80 nmol/L (2249-2307 ng/dL) and true trough (7 days) post-injection would be around 40 nmol/L (1153 ng/dL).

You are supposedly hitting a ridiculous TT 3000+ ng/dL 4 days post-injection which would mean that your true trough (7 days) post-injection would still be in the 2000+ ng/dL range.

10 years str8 week f**king in and week out you were running these ridiculous T levels supposedly banging 250 mg T/week?

Where did yoiur RBCs, hemoglobin and hematocrit sit?

Must have been caught up on those frequent blood donations.

Why would you get bloodwork done 4 days after your last jab when your system is still flooded with T and even then why waste your time testing LH/FSH as your hpta would still be shut-down hard!

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

Thank you so much; so my plan is

4 weeks of HCG 2500UI Every other day

Then begin after 4 weeks of HCG begin 6 weeks of clomid and nolvadex

That sounds like a great start. If you do not eat meat and/or oysters regularly you might supplement with Zinc, however note that it can interfere with aromatase. You may also want to prepare for a period of low libido/EQ by having something in the Viagra family on hand and possibly PT-141. We've talked elsewhere here about a lot of things that can affect sexual function beyond T so you would want all of them you can influence to be in good order. The chances are very high you will be fertile at some point; there are a lot of testimonies from people who fathered kids who were on a similar path as you. Also, you do not want to under-eat as that will exacerbate your time in a low T state, if there is one. The past is the past; likely a learning experience you will be able to help others learn form somewhere down the road.

 

[madman]

So, firstly - I am completely aware I have a <1% chance of ever making a FULL recovery and the chances are I'm going to end up on TRT for life. But anyway - always up for a challenge and I hope this gives others who are in a similar situation some motivation.

Straight to the story:
Hopped on at age 21 - Testosterone cypionate 250mg(1ml) weekly
Never hopped off. (go figure)
Never used any other compounds
Never blasted higher/ Cruised on lower
Just straight 250mg test cyp every week for 10 years straight

Throughout the 10 years I have been keeping E2 in range with aromasin 6.25mg EOD
Never used HCG (I know....)

Why did I hop on? A mixture of ex eating disorder sufferer as a teenager plus an "all or nothing" personality.

As a natural I got down to almost competition levels of conditioning - I felt how shit life was as a 6-8%BF natty (no energy, no libido etc) - figured I had two options, either sustain a more healthy bodyfat naturally or start exogenously injecting testosterone to maintain this level of leanness whilst being happy. So I chose the red pill.

Now I'm maturing and realizing all this was doing was masking my eating disorder/mental health. I feel like its time to face my bullshit head on.

The reason I'm want to come off? Simple - I never should have jumped on gear.
The physique I'm happy with is 100% totally achievable naturally
Nothing about my goals in the gym required gear
The gear use was just adding to my eating disorder and body dysmorphia - I'm ready to face those demons and I realise I absolutely do not wan to be a slave to something I dont need

So lets get straight to the ****ing fun part shall we
Blood attached - last ever set of bloods taken around 4 days after my last pin

Fun times ahead...View attachment 51907

Chew on post #5/6 you have much to learn!



post # 5/14 (Go nuts!)

Thread 'Fertility maintenance or restoration in men before, during, and after TRT or AAS'

Sep 25, 2022

Fertility Preservation in Hypogonadal Men (2018)
Robert J. Carrasquillo and Ranjith Ramasamy


Introduction

Testicular failure is defined as the impairment or loss of both the endocrine functions of the testis (production of testosterone, or T) and exocrine function (production of spermatozoa). Testicular failure can result from the pathology of the testis itself or disorder at any point in the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis. Primary testicular failure is characterized by normal/low T in the presence of the elevated follicle-stimulating hormone...

• madman
• fertility/spermatogenesis; tth/aas; hypogonadism
• Replies: 24
• Forum: hCG, Clomid & Others for Fertility, PCT or Low T

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post #6

Thread 'FSH and hCG dual therapy may result in the more rapid recovery of sperm to the ejaculate'

Nov 15, 2020

024 Dual Therapy with rFSH and HCG Results in a Significantly Shorter Time to Return of Spermatogenesis than Combination HCG and Clomiphene (2021)
K. Campbell, J. Sullivan, R. Valero Carrion, J. Kraus, B. Stocks, A. Lawrence, L. Lipshultz


Introduction: The use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for hypogonadism continues to grow and more younger men are now receiving treatment. With the use of exogenous TRT, the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis becomes quiescent and endogenous testosterone production ceases. In addition, in most men, there is a...

• madman
• fsh and hcg dual therapy
• Replies: 11
• Forum: hCG, Clomid & Others for Fertility, PCT or Low T

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[Guided_by_Voices]

Thank you so much; so my plan is

4 weeks of HCG 2500UI Every other day

Then begin after 4 weeks of HCG begin 6 weeks of clomid and nolvadex

And another thing, I hope you meant Clomid OR Nolvadex since AFAIK they would be redundant. Also, I would keep the dose of Clomid fairly low, as in no more than 25 mg three times per week. The dosages recommended in the physique community are IMO crazy-high and many people get nasty sides from Clomid which in themselves can take a while to clear. You may even want to forgo the Clomid until you see how you do with just the HCG for a while, and then, if needed, start very gradually, like 12 mg every other day, and assess from there.

 

[Vince]

Gives me hope. thanks
Ive never smokes, never drunk alcohol, never done any other recreational drugs

This is my only slip up and I hope whoevers watching over me gives me a chance to recover and father a child one day

I'm sure you will. Don't overthink it.