Nandrolone (Deca Durabolin): Effect on Lab Tests

[DS3]

PARTICIPATION NEEDED!

Of those EM members that have taken nandrolone or are currently taking nandrolone alongside their TRT, we are conducting a small ExcelMale study to help determine the effect that nandrolone has on Total Testosterone, E2, Prolactin, SHBG, free T, and DHT while taking TRT.

Here is what is needed:

Simply post the following information...

(1) Pretest Labs (Labs taken before adding nandrolone to TRT):
TT
Free T
SHBG
E2
Prolactin
DHT
Blood Assay Methodology
RX Protocol

(2) Posttest Labs (Labs taken during nandrolone treatment):
TT
Free T
SHBG
E2
Prolactin
DHT
Blood Assay Methodology
RX Protocol

Let's move our knowledge forward!

@Gman86 @Vince @Nelson Vergel @Jason Sypolt @madman @madhacker @Cataceous

 

[Nelson Vergel]

When used with TRT, nandrolone (like all 17-alpha methylated anabolics) has the following effects on blood work and quality of life:

1. Free T goes up
2. HDL goes down
3. SHBG goes down
4. DHT may or may not go up
5. Hematocrit goes up
6. Blood pressure and water retention may go up in some men
7. Joint pain goes down (this effect is unique to nandrolone) Nandrolone, joint pain and tendon healing
8. Prolactin stays the same (despite what you read everywhere- Prove me wrong!)
9. Total T does not go up if you use LC/MS assay (Not ECLIA immunoassay)
10. ED: No effect
11. Muscle pump improves
12. Strength improves
13. Water retention can get worse
14. Appetite may increase
15. No drug-induced liver enzyme changes. But be aware that resistance exercise can increase certain liver enzymes.

NOTE: If you get a testosterone test that uses the old immunoassay, nandrolone will be picked up as testosterone. But that won't happen if you use LC/MS:

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[Nelson Vergel]

By the way, @DS3, Thank you for the poll and interesting question!

 

[DS3]

Of those EM members that have taken nandrolone or are currently taking nandrolone alongside their TRT, we are conducting a small ExcelMale study to help determine the effect that nandrolone has on Total Testosterone, E2, Prolactin, SHBG, free T, and DHT while taking TRT.

Here is what is needed:

(1) Pretest Labs (Labs taken before adding nandrolone to TRT):
TT
Free T
SHBG
E2
Prolactin
DHT
Blood Assay Methodology
RX Protocol

(2) Posttest Labs (Labs taken during nandrolone treatment):
TT
Free T
SHBG
E2
Prolactin
DHT
Blood Assay Methodology
RX Protocol

Let's move our knowledge forward!

@Gman86 @Vince @Nelson Vergel @Jason Sypolt @madman @madhacker @Cataceous

By the way, @DS3, Thank you for the poll and interesting question!

Absolutely!

 

[Wilson7]

I know a couple of females using N for HRT, no hair thinning as they experienced with T, even small doses, but their total T was quite high with standard immunoassay, will suggest LC-MS and see how it compares.

 

[RobDutch]

Curious what weekly doses mg’s of nandrolone Where added to trt protocol and injection frequency

 

[finkelet]

When used with TRT, nandrolone (like all anabolics) has the following effects on blood work and quality of life:

1. Free T goes up
2. HDL goes down
3. SHBG goes down
4. DHT may or may not go up
5. Hematocrit goes up
6. Blood pressure may go up in some men
7. Joint pain goes down (this effect is unique to nandrolone) Nandrolone, joint pain and tendon healing
8. Prolactin does not change (despite what you read everywhere- Prove me wrong!)
9. Total T does not go up if you use LC/MS assay (Not ECLIA immunoassay)
10. ED: No effect
11. Muscle pump improves
12. Strength improves
13. Water retention can get worse
14. Appetite may increase

Does this hold true if one was to substitute some Test with Nandrolone? If I'm currently using 150mg Test C over a week and went to 100mg and 50mg of Nando?

 

[Gman86]

I know a couple of females using N for HRT, no hair thinning as they experienced with T, even small doses, but their total T was quite high with standard immunoassay, will suggest LC-MS and see how it compares.

Do you know the doses of nandrolone that they were using? And were they using it by itself?

 

[BradsHellcat]

@Nelson Vergel In your experience how many points will hematocrit go up with 100mg a week of nandrolone?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

@Nelson Vergel In your experience how many points will hematocrit go up with 100mg a week of nandrolone?

It depends on how much testosterone you are using, if you smoke, if you have sleep apnea, if you eat a lot of iron-rich foods, etc... Best guess 2 points max

 

[BradsHellcat]

It depends on how much testosterone you are using, if you smoke, if you have sleep apnea, if you eat a lot of iron-rich foods, etc... Best guess 2 points max

Currently around 180mg/week it puts my total T in the high 900's. Doctor just started me on Nandrolone 100mg/week split into two 50mg injections with my T.

Thanks, Nelson!

 

[Nelson Vergel]

What has your hematocrit been like?

 

[BradsHellcat]

What has your hematocrit been like?

@Nelson Vergel My last test was 48.6 I believe. The one prior was 49.6 maybe if I recall correctly.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

You will not need to donate blood after adding 100 mg nandrolone

 

[BradsHellcat]

You will not need to donate blood after adding 100 mg nandrolone

Great news! Thank you, again.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

I don’t know if you guys know that my first book was mostly about nandrolone. Here you can download it for free.

https://powerusa.org/books/Built_to_Survive.pdf

 

[Nelson Vergel]

We used higher doses back then because we were using it for HIV wasting syndrome. But after reversing wasting, many HIV+ patients stayed on a maintenance dose of 100 mg of nandrolone plus 100 mg of testosterone per week for years while also monitoring hematocrit and HDL as main variables.

 

[bochinit]

We used higher doses back then because we were using it for HIV wasting syndrome. But after reversing wasting, many HIV+ patients stayed on a maintenance dose of 100 mg of nandrolone plus 100 mg of testosterone per week for years while also monitoring hematocrit and HDL as main variables.

Hey Nelson, in your 10 years of experience with Nandrolone did you suffer with depression or libido/ed issues?

 

[Wilson7]

I was on 200 mg of Deca every two weeks and 350 IU HCG twice a week for 10 years (1995 to 2005). Never had an issue with either one, but over time Hb and HCT did become a problem as did iron levels. Could have been resolved with blood donations but we didn't have our heads wrapped around that concept until more recently.

 

[Gman86]

I was on 200 mg of Deca every two weeks and 350 IU HCG twice a week for 10 years (1995 to 2005). Never had an issue with either one, but over time Hb and HCT did become a problem as did iron levels. Could have been resolved with blood donations but we didn't have our heads wrapped around that concept until more recently.

Did you ever have labs done while on that protocol?