That’s makes sense madman but basically whether one has titrated up or down isn’t what I’m asking. I’m just trying to see where the majority of the men are feeling good. For instance if it trends with 90% of the men falling in the 600-799ng range that would be good to know and possibly help those that are struggling to find balance. I see all the time on here and other forums where some of these docs are starting guys at 150-180mg per week and adding a ton of ancillary medications to offset the side effects. Point is if more men started lower with testosterone only and slowly worked their way up, then possibly it would mitigate a lot of issues. Just trying to see a trend more than anything. For instance, I was told for years I needed high doses because I have high shbg in the low 70s at times and I’ve found I feel best in the 600-700ng range with free t 11-14ng. I achieve this with once weekly dose of 64mg and no other meds.