unusually high free testosterone - 5 months in to t-cyp + hCG

[Re-Ride]

Or lay down the law.

I don't know what else to say. The law is very clear.

The "Law'" means nothing. These are lawless times.

Your argument is like lecturing to a homeless person on the street about the benefits of eating right and a warm dry place to sleep.

I have to work with the situation at hand and make the best my HRT given a situation I have no control over.

 

[johndoesmith]

How can one be more clear? "Explain your calculation"
Why respond just to berate me? 18 posts and still no formula posted?

I explained numerous times. http://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm

You're not getting it.

As for "helping me" just answer the questions. Accept the fact that I'll be off HRT soon any way and back where I started. "Compliance" makes no difference at all. I just want to get the most out of the few days I have left on HRT.

Yes it does. We cannot help you without understanding your results, and since you're not on a consistent protocol, there's no way to understand the results.
You are insisting that life is so stressful you must go EOD for a week, then do E7D? That makes absolutely no sense. None at all. I cannot comprehend any reason for that.

The "Law'" means nothing. These are lawless times.

What? You conveniently ignored my 2 other suggestions that could very well work to complain about the law not applying. I don't think your issues are testosterone related, honestly, I think you need psychiatric help. I don't mean this as an insult, I mean it in the most sincere way possible. Please.

Your argument is like lecturing to a homeless person on the street about the benefits of eating right and a warm dry place to sleep.

No. My first two suggestions have nothing at all to do with homeless people eating or staying warm. Why can't you go to quest's website? Why can't you tell your doc you want a second opinion?

I have to work with the situation at hand and make the best my HRT given a situation I have no control over.

That forces you to inject EOD then E7D? If you can do EOD you can maintain a consistent protocol.

 

[Re-Ride]

O.K. We've thoroughly discussed Free T, reviewing other threads in the process. Some feel that free T is a test worth performing others do not. My very experienced endo questioned the value of many of the labs I've requested over the last two years. He's a reasonable open minded man willing to consider all studies presented to him and allow for experimentation. He saw no value in repeating SHBG and now I understand why. His focus is on the core tests mentioned in the Discount Labs post. Those demonstrate that I've done quite well on high dose.

No formula was ever posted to show how the 3.49% Free of Total was calculated. I'll stop asking as it is of no clinical value anyhow.

There never was any disagreement from me about the value of consistent dosing. When a member states that there has been a deviation in the last month that couldn't be helped then that information should be accepted at face value. The badger is then asked rather bluntly to stop prying for personal information. Nevertheless he persists.

O.K. man you've demonstrated to the world that regardless what you may know about TRT you live in a bubble of faux reality with bragging rights about democracy and justice. You are clueless about hardship and the greedy one-sided "recovery" which has destroyed the lives of so many. While it wasn't my intention to raise these issues in this thread they are relevant to others who must now consider their own prospects for security before beginning a commitment to lifelong TRT . I've raised this elsewhere on these pages.

If you're gong to quote then do it accurately. Maximum interval reached was 5 days not 7.

That you would suggest those facing serious hardship should waste their time "complaining about the the law not applying" emphasizes your entitled status along with your ignorance of how things really work in America for the average citizen. . Solzhenitsyn would find your solution of psychiatric hospitals interesting. Others would say reprehensible. I'll say they are out of spirit and not worthy of this forum.

 

[Formula364]

Hey Re-Ride,

I'm familiar with frustration, not your circumstances that give rise to it.

I've had two life changing betrayals in my life. While examining whether or not there was something in me leaving me open to these betrayals or not; I decided that if I never trust anyone again, I would end up betraying myself (screw myself over). Sometimes we cannot prevent becoming a victim at the hands of others. I sure do want to prevent being my own victim (un-trusting, bitter, resentful) - I'm not saying you are, I'm saying that I've had to guard against these myself. I've learned that I can decide my own responses, even if I cannot control my own circumstances.

I've also learned to be gracious - "How can love survive, in such a graceless age." In a larger sense, we are all both victims and perpetrators of imperfection. Be gracious. Thanksgiving is coming up. We all have much to be thankful for. TRT is superfluous in Somalia, Aleppo, etc. This realization may not alleviate your frustration, but many have it worse in the world. When I was having a difficult day, I used to walk thru the Children's Cancer ward at a major University. My troubles seemed small.

This forum is here to help you. Some have tried and only frustrated you - humans tend to do that to each other. I liked your Solzhenitsyn reference!

In order for there to be a giver, there must be a receiver. Everyone wants to be the magnanimous giver, but the giver is dependent upon the receiver. Please check out the financial assistance post: https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?1493-Financial-Assistance-for-Testosterone-%28injections-Androgel-Testim-Fortesta-Axiron%29

 

[johndoesmith]

O.K. We've thoroughly discussed Free T, reviewing other threads in the process. Some feel that free T is a test worth performing others do not. My very experienced endo questioned the value of many of the labs I've requested over the last two years. He's a reasonable open minded man willing to consider all studies presented to him and allow for experimentation. He saw no value in repeating SHBG and now I understand why. His focus is on the core tests mentioned in the Discount Labs post. Those demonstrate that I've done quite well on high dose.

No value in repeating SHBG? okay, because it's a completely static level that never changes when TRT is started.

No formula was ever posted to show how the 3.49% Free of Total was calculated. I'll stop asking as it is of no clinical value anyhow.

he divided total by free test without accounting for the different units I think.

There never was any disagreement from me about the value of consistent dosing. When a member states that there has been a deviation in the last month that couldn't be helped then that information should be accepted at face value. The badger is then asked rather bluntly to stop prying for personal information. Nevertheless he persists.

Badger? lol you're the one going on and on about how bad the world is on a testosterone forum. when a member states there's been a deviation in the last month but wants us to look at his labs, yeah that's pretty freakin relevant.

O.K. man you've demonstrated to the world that regardless what you may know about TRT you live in a bubble of faux reality with bragging rights about democracy and justice. You are clueless about hardship and the greedy one-sided "recovery" which has destroyed the lives of so many. While it wasn't my intention to raise these issues in this thread they are relevant to others who must now consider their own prospects for security before beginning a commitment to lifelong TRT . I've raised this elsewhere on these pages.

Clueless about hardship? You have no idea about me or my life. I live in the inner city, make about $15,000 a year, don't have a college degree, had my dad's body dragged out of the house when I was 16 with a self inflicted GSW to the head. Happened in 2010, partly due to the recession. grew up on food stamps and medicaid.

Go ahead. Tell me I live in suburbia in a bubble where my parents pay for everything.

If you're gong to quote then do it accurately. Maximum interval reached was 5 days not 7.

Honest mistake.

That you would suggest those facing serious hardship should waste their time "complaining about the the law not applying" emphasizes your entitled status along with your ignorance of how things really work in America for the average citizen. . Solzhenitsyn would find your solution of psychiatric hospitals interesting. Others would say reprehensible. I'll say they are out of spirit and not worthy of this forum.

Complaining? Again, you simply refused to read my first 2 suggestions, and complain about the third. The first 2 didn't involve "complaining" it involved going to a website.

I've been called a lot of things in life, entitled isn't one of them. Things are bad in this country, but you aren't making things better with your adversarial attitude towards other people in the same struggle as you.

reply in bold.

 

[CoastWatcher]

The Forum is not the place for personal attack. The thread is now closed.