"TRT/HRT/Nutrition/Cognition/Wellness/LT student of the game"

[Belekas]

Wtf? That's crazy high. I think you need to do something to bring it down. I was taking an IP6 supplement at one point and that crashed my ferritin very quickly. You could also donate blood.

Was you taking it with food or away from food?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Was you taking it with food or away from food?

I don't remember, but if you're specifically trying to prevent iron absorption I think you'd want to take it with meals, especially meat.

 

[Belekas]

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[Belekas]

Been learning about Iron and its disorders since getting back my GPs blood results and seeing Ferritin 400 and TS at 52%. To behonest I think everyone should look a lot more into this issue and check if they don't have any disorders and basically that is how we get seriously sick. Main thing is that people and Docs only check Ferritin and its an accute response measurement that might be high because of many different issues and does tell only a small part of the overall picture. Ferritin builds up slowly over the lifetime and then around 40-60 years of age (ruff number) suddenly you see it spikes badly into hundreds or even thousands. Then you get checked for a complete Iron panel and notice that your TS% is above or way above the range high meaning that your Iron is not getting accepted in the cell and reversed back into the circulation by Ferroportin. That means that you have been poisoning yourself for a long ass time without fucking knowing it. That is how I understand it. Then the doc orders MRIs of liver, as its the first organ that gonna get excess iron deposit, and heart, brain, etc, not in particular order. And suddenly, not in your favour, you see that you have injuries here or there that can lead to terrible consequences. I will share some interesting reading so that anyone interested could read going forward. So absolutely these things have to be checked. And for guys on TRT ferritin > 120 is a warning and should be a red flag to start inspecting. I chatted with some really smart guys who have been studying Iron disorders for ages and learned some interesting things, but its so complex and hard to grasp, even compared to hormones, that we all dabble here.

So tomorrow I will have a private blood let at home in the evening. Then next week I'm doing a complete Iron panel blood test again to check how the numbers look now. I have been taking IP6 3xday with 3 main meals and also Curcumin together at same time to help with Iron chelation. I have been eating piles of meat in the past 20 years I have been bodybuilding so hopefully my numbers improve as the last test was done right after me being very sick by flu or something and still feeling like crap. So hopefully the high numbers were because of it. If not- we search for answers going forward. Eastern Europeans are more prone to Hereditory Hemachomatosis. There is 4 main types of HH and 2 side types. Before it was believed that you must have both genes to have HH but after chatting with people they see now only 1 gene carriers getting symptoms and have Iron disorders.

Once we get sick, body shuttles iron to ferritin to starve off the virus / bacteria. Temp goes up to cook it and removing serum iron helps inhibit replication. Viruses and bacteria need iron to replicate. Inflammation also can raise ferritin. Some very interesting and amazing points to know about how this thing works. Ofc there is tons more about it which I'm not capable to explain, yet, but will share once I progress further.

Will be doing genetic 23andMe testing in the near future to see if I have any of the faulty genes. GP appoitment next month but there will probably will get a refferal to Hematologist where the que starts from 6 or even 12 months, from what I've read. So currently already have 3 refferals, to the Gastro, Cardiology and to the Laryngology to check on my ears and tinnitus. So more or less looks like the 4th is comming as well lol

Anyway thought I'll give you a quick update of whats going in my hood. Talking about TRT/HRT I'm stacked on Test, Primo and Deca. So once I get green light I will re-start my TRT/HRT again with added tiny amount of Primo as my Deca is not checked and I'm not keen to send it over to Janoshik, as of yet. To be fair I miss being on hormones even though it has its own cons. But all in all i think it feels better to be ON And if talking about sides I had while being on, most I still have while being off although some I don't and I enjoy being OFF, so you know. So that means that TRT wasn't responsible and I have other issues that I'm trying to fix now and that I'm def not getting younger. Live and Learn. So anyway guys exciting times ahead and hope you all are killing it and enjoying the moments while it lasts.

Best of health and luck to everyone who reads this!

Regards,
bel

 

[FunkOdyssey]

And if talking about sides I had while being on, most I still have while being off although some I don't and I enjoy being OFF, so you know. So that means that TRT wasn't responsible and I have other issues that I'm trying to fix now and that I'm def not getting younger. Live and Learn.

Do you mind sharing which issues persisted when you stopped TRT and which improved?

I hope you will do some follow-up bloodwork on the IP6 and let me know if that was effective and just how effective it was. That stuff is to iron like anastrozole is to E2: it's more potent than you think, and if you aren't careful and perform follow-up labs, you might crash.

 

[Belekas]

Do you mind sharing which issues persisted when you stopped TRT and which improved?

I hope you will do some follow-up bloodwork on the IP6 and let me know if that was effective and just how effective it was. That stuff is to iron like anastrozole is to E2: it's more potent than you think, and if you aren't careful and perform follow-up labs, you might crash.

I will make a separate post about being on and off TRT when I have time. The issue with Iron is far more complex then just crashing Ferritin which is just one piece of the puzzle. Transferrin Saturation% is far more important marker and I doub't you can crash it with IP6 to be fair. No fear, but thanks for pointing it out. All focus now on finding the root cause and fixing the issue if there is really an issue. I will know once I get blood test done next week and have the numbers back. Some really smart minds like to keep Ferritin sub 100 to feel best and says you experience symptoms > 120. And like I said if you are on TRT and your Ferritin is > 120 then you might have an actual problem. Last year when I was on TRT my Ferritin came back 124 which is a major red flag and needs to be looked et. Plus with all my weird issues and symptoms I've been having for years this is def concerning. So once I figure out more details to this Iron puzzle I will do a post about pros and cons I've experienced while being on and off TRT. I like to keep my mind sharp and focused on what I'm trying to achieve and don't do 10 things at once. Hope that makes sense

 

[Belekas]

So yesterday had a private blood let at my home and 500ml was gone in less then 30 mins. Awesome service and glad I managed to find a company that does that and all other things like blood tests, IV drips, etc. Also was happy that one of their employes lives not too far from me and came to visit me for 25gbp. If not him I'd have to travel to South London which would been a nightmare for me as I don't drive atm. So anyone need private blood letting, tests, IVs, etc in the UK- let me know and I will direct you.

So its around 9 days I'm taking IP6 3x day with a meal and also Curcumin 500mg 3x day with a meal as well.
Stopped all other supps but few and seems I found Magnesium that I'm able to tolerate. So started just 1g of Magnesium Citrate before sleep, kept that for some days and from 2 days ago I'm doing 2g before bed and also 2g after training or in the morning with food. I'll keep 4g/day for now and see if I don't feel any negatives. 4g of Mag Citrate is 600mg elemental magnesium fwiw. Since long time I couldn't take any form of Mag, and also was taking lots of Vitamin D3, I might have depleted some of Mag along the way. So will raise to 6g if 4g won't give me issues.
Taurine 4-6g/daily. Split morning, post workout and before bed with Mag. Also before bed I'm doing fresh tomato juice(potassium,vitC) with added Mag, Taurine and some sodium. Seems to work fine.
Looking to get Nattokinase and run that long-term. Also looking to get Vitamin K2 MK7 and implement as well. If I restart my TRT/HRT will def up my K2 as its crucial to drive calcium out the artheries to where it needs.

Probably a good week or two ago I finished Taeians "Parasite Protocol". Did that for 2 weeks. Will start my girl now for two weeks as well.

Keeping water intake at 3L now not counting teas or other drinks, which I rarely have, but need to start drinking more green tea after meals to help with Iron chelation.

Will start the "Adrenal Protocol" I have composed with a help of a very smart lady probably next week. It will consists of some suplements and daily meditation 3x day. I will be doing beach/wave sounds for 20-30min each time. Interesting thing that meditation is 50% success of the protocol. All best US adrenal/cfs docs swear by it and by the main supplement in the stack as well. Will do a separate post after I'm done with it or at least into it a couple of weeks. It sounds funny that meditation but it absolutely helps so gotta be done.

The key is to get as healthy as possible before pulling the trigger and entering the dark-side once again. That is why we gotta treat the root cause and not the symptoms which gets masked by alot of shit we take, you wan't it or not, thats just how it works. Even though my TRT/HRT cupboard is stacked lol