Empower’s 200mg/ml T cream is equivalent to what injection dosage?

[Caketocake]

Sorry for the newbie question but can someone tell me with Empower’s 200mg/ml cream doing 2 clicks twice per day (scrotal application) is equivalent to how much of the same injection dosage?

 

[Cataceous]

Because of wide variations in absorption you're not really going to know until you try it. But I can give you a sense of the numbers. I assume your dispenser is giving a quarter of an mL per click, so you're talking about 200 mg per day. Through regular skin, absorption can be around 10%, or 20 mg. This is like 28.56 mg of testosterone cypionate per day, or 200 mg per week. However, scrotal skin can absorb much more efficiently, with cited figures going up to 60%. With this amount you'd be getting 120 mg per day of T, equivalent to 172 mg T cypionate a day or 1200 (!) mg per week. I kind of doubt you'll see this much absorption, but it still seems like a high dose, and one likely to send DHT extremely high.

 

[Cataceous]

I should add that the figures I mentioned are for gels. Creams might not be absorbed quite as well, making the numbers a little less outlandish.

 

[Vince Carter]

Cataceous gave a great breaksdown there but you really can't equate the two, you'd have to get started on a dose and test and evaluate and titrate up, or down.

 

[S1W]

Having done both 100mg (1/2 ml 200mg/ml cream/day) compounded cream and 100mg/week (50mg E3.5D) injections they were likely somewhat similar for me.

Anyway, Vince Carter is correct in that you cannot equate creams/injections.

EDITED: To remove part where I questioned dosing - I did not read the original post closely enough.

 

[Cataceous]

Cataceous knows his stuff and I'm sure either he made a typo or I'm not reading it correctly, but if it is 200mg/ml, and you're using 2 clicks per day, wouldn't that be 1/2 ml = 100mg? That would be closer to 100mg/week injections, not 200mg/week.
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Caketocake said "2 clicks twice per day".

 

[S1W]

Caketocake said "2 clicks twice per day".

Ha! I guess it was problem #2 on my part - I didn't read it correctly.

 

[Cataceous]

Ha! I guess it was problem #2 on my part - I didn't read it correctly.

I made the same mistake—something about having two "twos" in the sentence?—but I caught it while still writing my post...