Wonder what you guys think of this video...

[Sergel]

In this video, dr claims that we should be supraphysiologic ... like Free T in the 30 to 60 ng/dl ... darn, that is a total t between 1000 and 2000 ... like mostly in the high range... I currently have a free T of 15.5 and my doc wants me to reduce it! ...

 

[Systemlord]

In this video, dr claims that we should be supraphysiologic ... like Free T in the 30 to 60 ng/dl ... darn, that is a total t between 1000 and 2000 ... like mostly in the high range... I currently have a free T of 15.5 and my doc wants me to reduce it! ...

I can't tolerate TRT at all let alone mid to high normal testosterone. I must put out a disclaimer, I'm an outlier and far from common.

So advocating for "everyone" on TRT needing supraphysiological levels is absurd and I'm not saying that's what Dr Nicolas is saying. Dr. Nicolas has even state before if 500's your number, that's your number. If you feel better at 1200, that's your number.

With everything said, most men that took part in my thread/poll on this forum feel their best above the normal range.

I agree with what Dr. Nicolas has said.

At what Free T level do you feel optimal?

As the thread title says, I want to compile a consensus and see at what Free T levels our members feel optimal. Please specify if levels are at trough, midpoint or peak. Also detail protocol and time of lab testing in relation to your injections. These poll questions are for Free T only either...

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[Systemlord]

I currently have a free T of 15.5 and my doc wants me to reduce it! ...

It sounds like your doctor isn't a good fit for TRT. Your doctor fears what he doesn't understand, so he's playing it safe.

Allow me to point you in the direction of my quote at the bottom of my post.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

In this video, dr claims that we should be supraphysiologic ... like Free T in the 30 to 60 ng/dl ...

Bear in mind he uses primarily cream, and has his patients test near peak levels. These are still high levels, but the numbers mean a very different thing than if they were obtained at trough on a low frequency, long ester injection protocol.

I currently have a free T of 15.5 and my doc wants me to reduce it! ...

 

[Vince]

I believe to feel your best on trt. You need to be close to your natural levels. When you were young. Many men had low levels so they need their levels lower. If you had higher levels when you were young you need higher higher levels now.

I really think it's that simple.

 

[Sergel]

Bear in mind he uses primarily cream, and has his patients test near peak levels. These are still high levels, but the numbers mean a very different thing than if they were obtained at trough on a low frequency, long ester injection protocol.


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Yeah, but I am stuck in the canadian medical system... they keep their docs inline, no one wants to risk loosing their license over a patient feeling good... lol

 

[Sergel]

It sounds like your doctor isn't a good fit for TRT. Your doctor fears what he doesn't understand, so he's playing it safe.

Allow me to point you in the direction of my quote at the bottom of my post.

The funny thing is for my lab, a 15.5 ng/dl (actually .5376 nmol/L) is over range... their range is .163 to .473 nmol/L !!! .163 is soy boy territory...

I am a hyper responder too, I get those over the range free T level with 70mg enanthate per week...

Funny though, it has been a battle to try to keep my dosage but docs constantly want to lower me ... I felt best at 100mg/week which sent my free T sky high... (In the 40s) and my total T at my lowest point to 1200+ ... lol

I could be a body builder on the cheap... gear would not be a big expense... lol

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Funny though, it has been a battle to try to keep my dosage but docs constantly want to lower me ... I felt best at 100mg/week which sent my free T sky high... (In the 40s) and my total T at my lowest point to 1200+ ... lol

If you don't have the option to find a different doctor, I would suggest you start gaming the system by delaying or skipping injections when you are getting blood drawn. You can easily manipulate the lab results this way and make it look as though you need a higher dose.

 

[Sergel]

If you don't have the option to find a different doctor, I would suggest you start gaming the system by delaying or skipping injections when you are getting blood drawn. You can easily manipulate the lab results this way and make it look as though you need a higher dose.

Well... I also like to have the real data, for my info. However in Canada, you can not get a blood test without a prescription... no such thing as private blood tests... Everything goes into the government system, even if I use a private clinic. Their systems are all tied together, it's like a mafia....

I need to book a discounted lab test next time I am in the us... Too bad they don't have a lab in vermont or upper state NY I could drive there...