What is Optimal Estradiol Range for Libido/Erection

[Appassionato]

Arguing with you is like arguing with a FDA evangelist.

First as I understand you are having even worse sleeping issues than me, but you lecture me mine are caused by my “supra” levels?

Second, 1400 total t is not supra and that is a total bulshit. Only a clueless doctor with zero understanding of hormones can say that looking at the papers without realizing 1400 was well within range ten years ago. So if tomorrow the upper range became 700, what we should lower the doses. Are you crazy?

Do the TRT however you see it right, I will do it following the guidelines of dr Neil Rouzier, dr Keith Nichols, Rob Kominiarek and other doctors I respect. For me Neil Rouzier is a genius and everyone in our community can learn a lot from him(I wish I could go take his training).

I see this way of doing TRT makes me feel better, resolves my symptoms and this is the reason I committed to life of injecting every single day. And Im more than glad I did it, best thing I ever did in my life

The biggest issue is you have the E2 level of a woman in a mid follicular phase.
You didn't even test your PSA, lipid profile and heart health markers and you come here telling people how they should run their protocol. Ridiculous.

I've been a patient of Dr. Kominiarek and I can guarantee you he's far from using the same approach you're using. Really far.
Considering Rouzier a genius say everything of your ability of critical thinking.

 

[Financematt05]

E2 in the 40s for me was hit or miss.. in the 90s it was basically impossible to maintain. I’ve started taking anastrozole .5mg twice a week, and haven’t had to take any viagra. I’ll what the new number is, but I’ll know in a couple days when the results come in. I do know in the 90s I felt awful. Horrible water retention.. hot flashes.. moody/cranky. I feel much better right now. I also stopped taking 200 mg test cyp once every 2 weeks and started doing 50mg twice a week. I’d like to stop the anastrozole for a while and see if I still feel good

 

[Vonko1988]

The biggest issue is you have the E2 level of a woman in a mid follicular phase.
You didn't even test your PSA, lipid profile and heart health markers and you come here telling people how they should run their protocol. Ridiculous.

I've been a patient of Dr. Kominiarek and I can guarantee you he's far from using the same approach you're using. Really far.
Considering Rouzier a genius say everything of your ability of critical thinking.

Seems you are not reading? Ive tested everything and it is perfect. And the high e2 is really OK as well. Show me a single legit piece of evidence this e2 value is harmful for me?

 

[Appassionato]

E2 in the 40s for me was hit or miss.. in the 90s it was basically impossible to maintain. I’ve started taking anastrozole .5mg twice a week, and haven’t had to take any viagra. I’ll what the new number is, but I’ll know in a couple days when the results come in. I do know in the 90s I felt awful. Horrible water retention.. hot flashes.. moody/cranky. I feel much better right now. I also stopped taking 200 mg test cyp once every 2 weeks and started doing 50mg twice a week. I’d like to stop the anastrozole for a while and see if I still feel good

That's quite a high dose of an AI. I would be careful if I was you. Many experience a sudden relief from lowering their E2, but I would talk to your doctor and try to tweak your protocol in order to try avoiding relying on an AI long term.

Seems you are not reading? Ive tested everything and it is perfect. And the high e2 is really OK as well. Show me a single legit piece of evidence this e2 value is harmful for me?

You're a broken record. 10 pages of thread and you're still parroting the same things.
I think showing pictures of your blood test with the aforementioned markers will help you proving your statements.
I'm really curious.

 

[Cataceous]

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Second, 1400 total t is not supra and that is a total bulshit. Only a clueless doctor with zero understanding of hormones can say that looking at the papers without realizing 1400 was well within range ten years ago. ...

You'd have more credibility if you provided some research to back up these claims. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

 

[Vonko1988]

You'd have more credibility if you provided some research to back up these claims. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

Dude, are you joking? Just find some old blood tests with reference ranges...

 

[Vonko1988]

You're a broken record. 10 pages of thread and you're still parroting the same things.
I think showing pictures of your blood test with the aforementioned markers will help you proving your statements.
I'm really curious.

YOu are the one sounding like a broken record claiming the same shit over and over again, telling me I have sleep issues due to my high levels, provided you have sleep issues as well with no so high levels Isnt that funny?

I shot a screenshot but this forum gives server error when trying to upload a pic...is this normal?

https://imgur.com/IDw7pbP

 

[Appassionato]

YOu are the one sounding like a broken record claiming the same shit over and over again, telling me I have sleep issues due to my high levels, provided you have sleep issues as well with no so high levels Isnt that funny?

I shot a screenshot but this forum gives server error when trying to upload a pic...is this normal?

I had problem staying asleep prior to TRT and on TRT. Doses higher than 80 mg per week worsen my insomnia, making it impossible to fall asleep, along with other issues.
As soon as I drop my dose, I can fall asleep within minutes.

I can send you a PM with my personal email and you can email me your labs if you can't upload them here. I will do the job for you.

 

[Vonko1988]

I had problem staying asleep prior to TRT and on TRT.

I uploaded them.

Im the same and I see not much difference from between TRT and pre-TRT. This early morning wake up started 10-14 days before TRT. I've withheld then for 4-5 days sex and mastrubation to freeze sperm before TRT and I thought this is what caused my wake ups. Then I got the job done and started TRT immediately. The first few days sleep was horrible, I guess initial reaction to testosterone, placebo or the propionate in sustanon.
Then I added some supplements and the problem was on and off since

So I see zero evidence and sense my levels of t or e2 are causing this issue

 

[Financematt05]

That's quite a high dose of an AI. I would be careful if I was you. Many experience a sudden relief from lowering their E2, but I would talk to your doctor and try to tweak your protocol in order to try avoiding relying on an AI long term.



You're a broken record. 10 pages of thread and you're still parroting the same things.
I think showing pictures of your blood test with the aforementioned markers will help you proving your statements.
I'm really curious.

.5mg twice a week is quite a high dose? I’m not sure I can cut these pills any smaller. Also, my dr is terrible. 200 mg of testosterone cypionate once every 2 weeks is the only protocol he will follow. I’ve had to try and become my own DR. I’m in the process of getting hooked up with Defy medical, so I’ll see how that goes

 

[Cataceous]

Dude, are you joking? Just find some old blood tests with reference ranges...

Alright. Look at what Vermeulen published almost 25 years ago. Now stop spreading misinformation.

Age	Total Testosterone Average (ng/dL)
25-34	616
35-44	667
45-54	607
55-64	562
65-74	523
75-84	470
85-100	376

Vermeulen, A. (1996). Declining Androgens with Age: An Overview. In Vermeulen, A. & Oddens, & B.J. (Eds.), Androgens and the Aging Male (pp. 3-14). New York: Parthenon Publishing.

 

[Appassionato]

I uploaded them.

Im the same and I see not much difference from between TRT and pre-TRT. This early morning wake up started 10-14 days before TRT. I've withheld then for 4-5 days sex and mastrubation to freeze sperm before TRT and I thought this is what caused my wake ups. Then I got the job done and started TRT immediately. The first few days sleep was horrible, I guess initial reaction to testosterone, placebo or the propionate in sustanon.
Then I added some supplements and the problem was on and off since

So I see zero evidence and sense my levels of t or e2 are causing this issue

You have above average SHBG, which explains why our free T is not high despite a high total T and why you can tolerate more E2.
Your HDL is low, if I read well your labs which are in an unconventional format.
There are no liver enzymes results, neither crp and creatine kinase.

Is this a picture from your lab or is it just an excel sheet you did?

 

[Appassionato]

.5mg twice a week is quite a high dose? I’m not sure I can cut these pills any smaller. Also, my dr is terrible. 200 mg of testosterone cypionate once every 2 weeks is the only protocol he will follow. I’ve had to try and become my own DR. I’m in the process of getting hooked up with excelmale, so I’ll see how that goes

You need a good knowledgeable doctor.

 

[Vonko1988]

You have above average SHBG, which explains why our free T is not high despite a high total T and why you can tolerate more E2.
Your HDL is low, if I read well your labs which are in an unconventional format.
There are no liver enzymes results, neither crp and creatine kinase.

Is this a picture from your lab or is it just an excel sheet you did?

There are liver enzymes, ASAT and ALAT, the next one is the third enzyme seems I transferred in Bulgarian

My HDL was almost the same for years

I have CRP at the bottom of the document outside the screenshot:

CRP S < 1.0 mg/l 0 - 5 TURB

It is excel sheet because the original results are in Bulgarian. If you think I've faked them to prove a point sorry I cannot help you

 

[Vonko1988]

Alright. Look at what Vermeulen published almost 25 years ago. Now stop spreading misinformation.

Age	Total Testosterone Average (ng/dL)
25-34	616
25-44	667
45-54	607
55-64	562
65-74	523
75-84	470
85-100	376

Vermeulen, A. (1996). Declining Androgens with Age: An Overview. In Vermeulen, A. & Oddens, & B.J. (Eds.), Androgens and the Aging Male (pp. 3-14). New York: Parthenon Publishing.

I talk to you about lab ranges

 

[Blackhawk]

I’m in the process of getting hooked up with excelmale, so I’ll see how that goes

What the heck does that mean?

You are here on Excel Male already. This forum right here. This IS Excel Male

 

[Appassionato]

There are liver enzymes, ASAT and ALAT, the next one is the third enzyme seems I transferred in Bulgarian

My HDL was almost the same for years

I have CRP at the bottom of the document outside the screenshot:

CRP S < 1.0 mg/l 0 - 5 TURB

It is excel sheet because the original results are in Bulgarian. If you think I've faked them to prove a point sorry I cannot help you

Well I hope you're not faking them to prove your point, that would be really childish.
Apart from HDL and IGF-1, the rest seems to be OK.

But you have being going on for 10 pages of a thread omitting your SHBG is above average, which explains why you don't have many symptoms from these E2 numbers.
That doesn't apply for people with a lower SHBG.

And most of all you don't know what's gonna cost you on the long run, since no healthy young man ever run those E2 levels.

 

[Vonko1988]

But you have being going on for 10 pages of a thread omitting your SHBG is above average, which explains why you don't have many symptoms from these E2 numbers.
That doesn't apply for people with a lower SHBG.

Have you asked me about my SHBG? You stated your point as an absolute truth without saying for example "high SHBG guys can be OK with high e2"

By the way I know this theory about SHBG and I know at least 3 people with SHBG 15-25 that run high e2 without issues, including my buddy here in Bulgaria who started TRT before me. He has more body fat than me and most likely thats why his SHBG is extremely low, he is injecting 30mg sustanon daily, his e2 was around 60 something I think and he has no issues. He is not using HCG however
I know also people in USA with high e2 and low SHBG with no issues

Also you will not be able to find study supporting this SHBG claim

 

[Appassionato]

Have you asked me about my SHBG? You stated your point as an absolute truth without saying for example "high SHBG guys can be OK with high e2"

By the way I know this theory about SHBG and I know at least 3 people with SHBG 15-25 that run high e2 without issues, including my buddy here in Bulgaria who started TRT before me. He has more body fat than me and most likely thats why his SHBG is extremely low, he is injecting 30mg sustanon daily, his e2 was around 60 something I think and he has no issues. He is not using HCG however
I know also people in USA with high e2 and low SHBG with no issues

Also you will not be able to find study supporting this SHBG claim

I don't have to ask you anything, you are the one who need to prove your point.
And I never said it's OK to run these numbers with a high SHBG.
I said that explains why you don't have symptoms. Some people on steroids don't have symptoms, or at least the claim not to have them. Learn to read.

Now you're telling us people with higher body fat has lower SHBG? Aren't you tired of embarrassing yourself?

And please stop this "I know someone" thing. It's really boring.

 

[Vonko1988]

I don't have to ask you anything, you are the one who need to prove your point.
And I never said it's OK to run these numbers with a high SHBG.
I said that explains why you don't have symptoms. Some people on steroids don't have symptoms, or at least the claim not to have them. Learn to read.

Now you're telling us people with higher body fat has lower SHBG? Aren't you tired of embarrassing yourself?

And please stop this "I know someone" thing. It's really boring.

YOu are the one embarrassing yourself. You can easily find a lot of studies where low SHBG is associated with obesity, metabolic syndrome and higher BMI

One do you think I have to prove something?

You are the one claiming what are supraphysilogical doses, high e2 is bad and whatever crap that to a new TRT user like me seems strange. Thankfully now there are better resources to learn about TRT