Far from a given that injecting sub-q. is going to lead to higher e2 vs IM.
That's fair, and I did not say, nor would I ever say, that injecting subq is certain or even likely to lead to higher E2 vs IM. I said it's very common, and I'll define common the way they do for side effects of prescription medications: incidence rate greater than 10%. Based on what I've seen from reports of individuals measuring E2 in a controlled manner, holding other variables steady and changing only injection method, it happens commonly that E2 is higher, and T/E2 ratio is lower, with SC injection. That you find yourself in the majority who see no adverse effect of SC injection on E2, or perhaps even lower E2 and higher T/E2 ratio with SC vs IM, is fully compatible with what I'm describing.
I could name numerous top experts in the field that treat 1000s of men who would tell you otherwise.
I'm sure you can, but it does not negate what I've seen. Of course I have not directly treated anyone, but I am privy to the outcomes of thousands of men also, after years of paying careful attention to patient testimonies in this space. You can see the signal clearly even in the very limited patient group of
ExcelMale participants, and if you expose yourself to much larger groups of patients elsewhere on the Internet (as I do), you will see the same pattern magnified many times over.
Need to renege on that one and next time round post the source!
I'm not reneging anything, but I do appreciate your diligence in posting the source when I could not be bothered to do so. As always, your commitment to TRT truths is appreciated even we disagree.
The first 6 weeks means nothing when looking at the BIGGER picture.
Put money on it that the OP was and will be chasing his tail endlessly because he has never even given any protocol a fighting chance (12 weeks).
Yes, to see the full effects of a protocol, down to the last subtle details, you do probably have to wait that long. However, this guy's primary concern is an overwhelming "fight-or-flight" anxiety. When it comes to major, intolerable side effects like his, you do not need to wait that long to determine whether your protocol is on the right track. I would argue it is almost sadistic to recommend someone maintain a protocol for 12+ weeks when it is destroying their quality of life.
