My Experience On Jatenzo (Oral TRT) Log

[tropicaldaze1950]

That’s very true. it Was some weird bro science (even drs like crisler used to say it in the past) that daily injections were more ”natural” and mimicked the daily rhythm. if it was about my fluctuations I would have been fine on injections. Even 3x a week I would see a 400 pt difference in numbers. Testing 8hrs after injection vs 24 hours.

My theory for me personally is on cream I found the sweet spot where I don’t peak too high. That’s what I always believed my issue was with injections. However I don’t feel much different on injections vs cream other than higher libido. And better erections. They were both decent on injections too. I was thinking for me maybe I need to find that sweet spot on daily’s. Keeping my tt around 700 and call it a day. I could be totally off here. But I’m willing to try. I’m so damn tired of messing with the cream. If I feel like shit on injections. Then so be it but gotta try again

I saw your follow up post about how you feel when your TT goes beyond 700-800. I've said it many times that some of us, in managing and manipulating TRT, are lab rats, LOL. I am!

I understand about trying to find that spot where you feel and function good. For some of us, it's forever elusive. My dream is restoration of spontaneous erections. Right now, one, late in the evening. Been on cream a few times, but not the high octane stuff, and never saw any improvement in libido or erectile function.

You have a good sense of the blood level where you feel and function the best. You're right about trying to find that spot with injections. And if it eludes you, you know you can go back on cream.

 

[Charliebizz]

I saw your follow up post about how you feel when your TT goes beyond 700-800. I've said it many times that some of us, in managing and manipulating TRT, are lab rats, LOL. I am!

I understand about trying to find that spot where you feel and function good. For some of us, it's forever elusive. My dream is restoration of spontaneous erections. Right now, one, late in the evening. Been on cream a few times, but not the high octane stuff, and never saw any improvement in libido or erectile function.

You have a good sense of the blood level where you feel and function the best. You're right about trying to find that spot with injections. And if it eludes you, you know you can go back on cream.

You def need to try the right cream applied to the scrotum. That said I’ve also thought “I knew my body” a few times and I was wrong. My main issue with injections was this weird pressure type headaches. They got much better on cream but slowly feel like they are coming back. So since I’m so annoyed with doing cream 2x a day I figured why not give injections one more try. At a different dose and frequency then I really stuck with in the past.

 

[Systemlord]

I did want to inquire about my high normal CO2 levels. Months ago I did over-supplement iron for 2 months for which I’m still dealing with the side effects (headaches, dehydration, joint pain, short of breath) that are almost completely gone almost 3 months later.

I had a massive spike in CO2 levels way above the normal range when I was supplementing 20,000 units of vitamin D per day a year ago.

So I’m wondering if the excessive iron dose could be a reason for the high normal CO2 levels.

I find it strange that my chloride and CO2 levels are the exact opposite.

I have no edema, fluid retention, nor have I ever on TRT.

 

[Systemlord]

I just had more labs drawn 2 days ago. My ferritin is 222, hematocrit 58.5% and hemoglobin 18.9. My blood pressure and heart rate are on the lower end of the ranges.

September 2022 my hematocrit was 54.3% and hemoglobin 18.9.

My high hematocrit is the result of dehydration caused by reducing my iron dosage several weeks ago.

Whenever I reduce iron supplements, I get dehydrated via excessive urination.

My energy levels since restoring my normal iron dosage a few days ago is very high! I feel amazing and one thing I’ve notice, I don’t get cold easily!

The lipids are the result of the 4 months on the carnivore diet.

I’m crushing my gym workouts!!

I'm like a magnet for women. The young women can't stop putting themselves in my spaces, in the gym, and at work. I met a 25 year old women who for weeks put herself in my spaces in the gym who is now training me.

My doctors take on my hematocrit ->

I can't tell you at what level of hematocrit is too high for you, but this is pretty high. Be careful gauging success just about how you feel. History is full of stories of failures based on people who judge success based on feeling.

I'd recommend at least monthly monitoring of your levels at least for the Hgb/Hct.

CHOLESTEROL​

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Normal value: <=199 mg/dL
Value
292

TRIGLYCERIDE​

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Normal value: <=149 mg/dL
Value
old value = 331-> new value = 88!

HDL​

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Normal value: >=40 mg/dL
Value
38

LDL CALCULATED​

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Normal value: <=99 mg/dL
Value
239

CHOLESTEROL/HIGH DENSITY LIPOPROTEIN​

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Normal value: <=3.9
Value
7.7

See LabNet for more information.

CHOLESTEROL, NON-HDL​

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mg/dL
Value
254

 

[Vince]

This is just my two cents. Non HDL extremely high, LDL extremely high, triggs moving in a right direction, would be nice if it was 60 or below, with your low HDL your overall cholesterol is also high.

No fasting glucose or A1C? Ever considered a complete cholesterol particle panel?

 

[Systemlord]

No fasting glucose or A1C?

According to my A1C and triglycerides my metabolic health looks amazing. High cholesterol and high LDL is actually healthy, I’m just not sure about the others.

Ever considered a complete cholesterol particle panel?

I’ll run this test by my doctor.

 

[Vince]

According to my A1C and triglycerides my metabolic health looks amazing. High cholesterol and high LDL is actually healthy, I’m just not sure about the others.


I’ll run this test by my doctor.
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Looks like you're converting protein into glucose. You may want to cut down on protein and eat more non-starchy vegetables. I would think you're pre-diabetic or borderline pre-diabetic.

 

[Vince]

A normal A1C level is below 5.7%, a level of 5.7% to 6.4% indicates prediabetes, and a level of 6.5% or more indicates diabetes. Within the 5.7% to 6.4% prediabetes range, the higher your A1C, the greater your risk is for developing type 2 diabetes.

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[Systemlord]

Looks like you're converting protein into glucose. You may want to cut down on protein and eat more non-starchy vegetables. I would think you're pre-diabetic or borderline pre-diabetic.

I do consume whey protein, one scoop per day. I can cut back to half a scoop.

 

[Vince]

I do consume whey protein, one scoop per day. I can cut back to half a scoop.

I would drop the whey protein. Causes glucose spikes. I don't know your age, but if you old enough you may want to get the heart scan. Also, metformin is a good longevity drug.

 

[Systemlord]

Also, metformin is a good longevity drug.

I have bad reactions to type 2 medicines, I tried them all. Cialis is the only medicine for which I have no side effects.

I would drop the whey protein. Causes glucose spikes.

If I skip one scoop of whey protein, and train/workout, I feel punch drunk and fatigued all day. If I take more than one scoop, I feel punch drunk without fatigue.

So I'll try half a scoop.

How could you tell my protein was converting to glucose?

 

[Vince]

Bad reaction to metformin usually means your b vitamins are low.

 

[Vince]

metformin can commonly reduce vitamin B12 levels in patients, which may lead to vitamin B12 deficiency. the risk of low vitamin B12 levels increases with higher metformin dose, longer treatment duration, and in patients with risk factors for vitamin B12 deficiency.Jun 20, 2022

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[Systemlord]

Bad reaction to metformin usually means your b vitamins are low.

I couldn't stop coughing, every second until I stopped it.

 

[Seagal]

I just had more labs drawn 2 days ago. My ferritin is 222, hematocrit 58.5% and hemoglobin 18.9.

September 2022 my hematocrit was 54.3% and hemoglobin 18.9.

My high hematocrit is the result of dehydration caused by reducing my iron dosage several weeks ago.

Whenever I reduce iron supplements, I get dehydrated via excessive urination.

My energy levels since restoring my normal iron dosage a few days ago is very high! I feel amazing and one thing I’ve notice, I don’t get cold easily!

The lipids are the result of the 4 months on the carnivore diet.

I’m crushing my gym workouts!!

I'm like a magnet for women. The young women can't stop putting themselves in my spaces, in the gym, and at work. I met a 25 year old women who for weeks put herself in my spaces in the gym who is now training me.

CHOLESTEROL​

View trends
Normal value: <=199 mg/dL
Value
292

TRIGLYCERIDE​

View trends
Normal value: <=149 mg/dL
Value
old value = 331-> new value = 88!

HDL​

View trends
Normal value: >=40 mg/dL
Value
38

LDL CALCULATED​

View trends
Normal value: <=99 mg/dL
Value
239

CHOLESTEROL/HIGH DENSITY LIPOPROTEIN​

View trends
Normal value: <=3.9
Value
7.7

See LabNet for more information.

CHOLESTEROL, NON-HDL​

View trends
mg/dL
Value
254

The comparison of carnivore vs prior diet is interesting. Big change in triglycerides. Other markers unchanged?

 

[Systemlord]

The comparison of carnivore vs prior diet is interesting. Big change in triglycerides. Other markers unchanged?

 

[Seagal]

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Was your prior diet a ketogenic diet?
I was two years on keto. Now low carb.
I don't know how meaningful this lipid parameters are for carnivore, keto vs "western diet".
I wish I could get a coronary calcium scan.

 

[Systemlord]

I don't know how meaningful this lipid parameters are for carnivore, keto vs "western diet".

You mean caveman diet versus modern man diet. Now I know why I needed braces for my crooked teeth.

 

[Systemlord]

Was your prior diet a ketogenic diet?

Yes, I was on the ketogenic diet. I never felt satisfied after eating, I was always hungry.

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

Journal of the American Geriatrics Society
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Editorial
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The Highs and Lows of Cholesterol: A Paradox of Healthy Aging?​

Ariela R. Orkaby MD, MPH
First published: 13 January 2020

https://doi.org/10.1111/jgs.16302
Citations: 10
This editorial comments on the articles by Sittiwet et al and Maihofer et al.

https://agsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jgs.16302