My Experience On Jatenzo (Oral TRT) Log

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Gladiator

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So my diet is mainly fruits and vegetables. I will eat 2 to 3 kg of meat a week also most weeks.
I find myself a nice olive tree and fill up a couple of buckets when I can. Last year I filled a 30litre and 10litre bucket. I eat 10 to 20 a day on week days.

Apparently my love of collecting olives and curing them myself is good for my iron uptake.


Watermelon is a daily for me. It’s not as good as olives but it have value. Water content: 139 g (watermelon is about 92 percent water) Calcium: 11 milligrams (mg) Iron: 0.4 mg. Magnesium: 15 mg.

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The his one is the best as it’s recent.
Watermelon

Not just that, watermelons are rich in vitamin C, which further increases the efficiency of non-heme iron in the body. Watermelon is also a good source of lycopene and beta-carotene which helps in increasing iron absorption in the body.21 July 2022

So by having a fetish for olives and watermelon it seems I’m getting a good fix of iron and substance that helps my body absorb iron.

I eat a lot of watermelon as it’s good to keep you hydrated
 
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I felt really lethargic. My Trt doctor asked me how I was feeling after dropping from 200 to 175. I told him really lethargic and no energy.
Was a bit miserable and getting lots of headaches. Then he told me what my haemoglobin was and my red blood count was over high normal.
At the moment I’m only donating every 3 months and I feel good for a few weeks after donating. I found a new doctor who had me take tests recently and i was at 164 so I don’t know what happened as it’s never been under 172 and sits at above 180 normally since being on trt. But I did drink 3 litres of water after lunch and then go have blood taken. But my blood wouldn’t flow.
Im now booked in for more tests at the cancer clinic at the end of June.
Bit of a worry when I have been told I could have bone marrow cancer but I have to go doctor shopping to find someone to help me.
You don’t have high haemoglobin like mine so you can’t talk Cut off for donating is 185. Mine hit 199 and it took an hour for my Trt doctor to take half a bag.
I know what I need to do. I have the appointment at the cancer clinic to have more tests. Until then I will donate every 3 months if I can because I don’t want to have a stroke or heart attack because my blood is to thick.

Eat real food and don’t drink alcohol.
There is a FB TRT Group that believes in not donating on TRT, not required. This is a prime example of yes, yes it is. I myself creep up and feel better after donating.
 

Gladiator

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There is a FB TRT Group that believes in not donating on TRT, not required. This is a prime example of yes, yes it is. I myself creep up and feel better after donating.
You can go through life without ever donating. I could have kept going without donating. I was never able to donat because of tattoos, piercings , drug use or surgery. I finally found out I was able to donate to save a life and my haemoglobin decided to be too high. Now I can donate to save a life I’m having problems being able to donate. But I’m going to donate every 3 months to save life’s.

So anyone talking crap about crashing ferritin or iron needs to take a good hard look at themself and realise how self centred they are.

Don’t come at me telling me bullshit because it’s all bullshit. Donate then eat real food and get your levels back to normal and save more lives
 
You can go through life without ever donating. I could have kept going without donating. I was never able to donat because of tattoos, piercings , drug use or surgery. I finally found out I was able to donate to save a life and my haemoglobin decided to be too high. Now I can donate to save a life I’m having problems being able to donate. But I’m going to donate every 3 months to save life’s.

So anyone talking crap about crashing ferritin or iron needs to take a good hard look at themself and realise how self centred they are.

Don’t come at me telling me bullshit because it’s all bullshit. Donate then eat real food and get your levels back to normal and save more lives
That’s what I did for years. Donate. Just felt tired for 3 days if that, then ate regular food including lots of red meat. A lot of folks have their hemoglobin raised on TRT!
 

Gladiator

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That’s what I did for years. Donate. Just felt tired for 3 days if that, then ate regular food including lots of red meat. A lot of folks have their hemoglobin raised on TRT!
Even before trt mine was high. I went to the doctor about bruising. I train Muay Thai and get kicked and punched a lot. I literally stand in the ring and laugh in peoples faces when they kick me and punch me then take them down.
I end up with bruises on the inside of my leg from a kick on the outside. Doctor said it’s just my skin. This was way before trt. Now I still get crazy bruises and everyone I train with knows I’m struggling to get it sorted. I sweat so much it’s flying off my legs when I kick. It’s so embarrassing and I don’t like it but I keep training hard.
 

Gus80

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I think this again proves my post that some people me included need fast acting testosterone and quick testosterone fluctuations to feel good. Ive had horrible on enanthate and cypionate and this products are out of consideration ever again for me and I feel good only on frequently administered sustanon that contains fast esters.

If this Jatenzo comes to Europe Im willing to try it.
Is it true it does not completely suppress natural production due to pulsation? This would be another huge plus for me
What dose of sustanon and how many times a week have you been using it?

How did you get shbg and free testosterone?
 

Fortunate

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@Systemlord, as the elder on the topic, you are best positioned to comment. I have previously tried Jatenzo, but never for more than a few days for various reasons. I never got to the supposed one-week-to-steady-state. My question is, when did you start to feel consistently good? Day one? Day 7? Day 21?

When I tried Jatenzo, I would notice a bump in energy for a few hours, but I tend to bottom out and feel fatigued well before the next dose is due. I suspect some of that will improve as the average testosterone concentrations are no longer changing (ie, at steady state). But, one of the things that keeps me from muscling out to the one week mark is the fear that I will keep riding a see saw of energy that continues even beyond a week or even a month. If I know the ride will smooth out, I can buckle down and give it time.

If you think back to your initial experience, did you notices ups and downs initially?
 

Systemlord

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My question is, when did you start to feel consistently good?
I felt steady at one week, but didn't feel any big swings or fluctuations like with injections. I did have plenty of the cypionate still in my system though.

Also note, if coming over from injections when starting Jatenzo, you will likely be supraphysiological for the first 1-2 weeks since you're stacking cypionate and Jatenzo.
 

Systemlord

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I have been experimenting with taking my Jatenzo without food, results are no different than it taken with food. I had one of my best workouts without eating anything with the Jatenzo.

If I miss a dosage, I will feel it.
 

Fortunate

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I have been experimenting with taking my Jatenzo without food, results are no different than it taken with food. I had one of my best workouts without eating anything with the Jatenzo.

If I miss a dosage, I will feel it.
Interesting. Could that be that you are already at steady state and one dose didn’t make much of a difference? Or, have you done it repeatedly for multiple doses?
 

Systemlord

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Could that be that you are already at steady state and one dose didn’t make much of a difference? Or, have you done it repeatedly for multiple doses?
Yes multiple times and no difference, however if I miss a single dose, I feel way off. This experience tells me I’m absorbing Jatenzo without food if missing a dose causes a relapse of symptoms.

If I wasn’t absorbing Jatenzo at all without food, it would feel the same as missing a dosage.
 

Systemlord

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Progress update; after 4 months on the carnivore diet, 7 months going to the gym 7 days a week and 6 months on 5 mg daily Cialis and Jatenzo @237 mg twice daily.

Fasting glucose is 108 consistently, dropping further throughout the day, even right after meals, which don't affect glucose one bit.
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Charliebizz

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Progress update; after 4 months on the carnivore diet, 7 months going to the gym 7 days a week and 6 months on 5 mg daily Cialis and Jatenzo @237 mg twice daily.
How has the cialis helped you ? I Started cialis when I switched to cream. I now even get spontaneous erections (didn’t on injections) throughout the day. I’m wondering if any of that has to do with the cialis or is it the cream. I’m getting very tired of the 2x a day application of cream and considering going back on injections.
 

Systemlord

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How has the cialis helped you ?
Cialis has improved my erections, energy levels, and workouts but the Cialis pump does bring out my ADHD more. I can’t sit still. Not a bad thing when you came from no energy at all years ago.

I always go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

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Systemlord

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I’m wondering if any of that has to do with the cialis or is it the cream.
I think your body doesn't like the way injections maintains steady levels, you need your levels to fluctuate more.

I wouldn't go back to injections knowing the outcome is less than ideal. I believe oral testosterone would work well for you.
 

tropicaldaze1950

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I think your body doesn't like the way injections maintains steady levels, you need your levels to fluctuate more.

I wouldn't go back to injections knowing the outcome is less than ideal. I believe oral testosterone would work well for you.
But as you know, it's contingent on the prescribing doctor writing a letter to the insurance company, making the case that nothing else has worked. @Charliebizz states that scrotal cream 2X daily + Cialis is giving him good erectile function(my words). The insurance company isn't interested in what's convenient for the insured, especially when they'd have to shell out a large chunk of money each month for any of the new oral testosterone brands.

As for injections, which you were on for several years, a weekly injection or every 10 days would have more variability than dailies or multiple weekly injections. I concede that how a man responds to one weekly dose, irrespective of the dose, is another question.
 
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Charliebizz

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But as you know, it's contingent on the prescribing doctor writing a letter to the insurance company, making the case that nothing else has worked. @Charliebizz states that scrotal cream 2X daily + Cialis is giving him good erectile function(my words). The insurance company isn't interested in what's convenient for the insured, especially when they'd have to shell out a large chunk of money each month for any of the new oral testosterone brands.

As for injections, which you were on for several years, a weekly injection or every 10 days would have more variability than dailies or multiple weekly injections. I concede that how a man responds to one weekly dose, irrespective of the dose, is another question.
That’s very true. it Was some weird bro science (even drs like crisler used to say it in the past) that daily injections were more ”natural” and mimicked the daily rhythm. if it was about my fluctuations I would have been fine on injections. Even 3x a week I would see a 400 pt difference in numbers. Testing 8hrs after injection vs 24 hours.

My theory for me personally is on cream I found the sweet spot where I don’t peak too high. That’s what I always believed my issue was with injections. However I don’t feel much different on injections vs cream other than higher libido. And better erections. They were both decent on injections too. I was thinking for me maybe I need to find that sweet spot on daily’s. Keeping my tt around 700 and call it a day. I could be totally off here. But I’m willing to try. I’m so damn tired of messing with the cream. If I feel like shit on injections. Then so be it but gotta try again
 

Charliebizz

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The reason I say it might be the peak also is because. If I up my cream dose and pass the 700-800 tt mark I start to feel lethargic and depressed.
 
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