Most people don’t need TRT

[tareload]

I had none of these issues before TRT and tho my levels werent great they weren horrible either

Most importantly i had no palpitations and no erectile issues

I googled this forum and other venues many have experienced similar sides that go away when they stop trt

There is already a dude in this thread confirming this that when he goes one week without injections his libido and erections return and hes been 4 years on trt

Brother, either you want the righteous gainz or you don't. If you can't handle turning yourself into a eunuch for that extra muscle then you gotta get out of anabolic kitchen. Why stop at 70 mg/week? Up that dose! (joking). Excessive/difficult urination, no libido, ED, high blood viscosity, arrhythmia, palpitations, anxiety, long term wear and tear on the heart, poor sleep are all price of admission. There is TRT and then there is "TRT", wink, wink.

You seem really conflicted on whether the "juice" is worth the squeeze and excess morbidity. Haha.

 

[Naegleria]

Brother, either you want the righteous gainz or you don't. If you can't handle turning yourself into a eunuch for that extra muscle then you gotta get out of anabolic kitchen. Why stop at 70 mg/week? Up that dose! (joking). Excessive/difficult urination, no libido, ED, high blood viscosity, arrhythmia, palpitations, anxiety, long term wear and tear on the heart, poor sleep are all price of admission. There is TRT and then there is "TRT", wink, wink.

You seem really conflicted on whether the "juice" is worth the squeeze and excess morbidity. Haha.

All for a bit more muscle that nobody will even notice or give a shit about lol

Bodybuilding is all about genetic and to some degree hormones. Most teenagers have high testosterone in the 800+ and you dont see them walking around jacked and ripped

Similarly lots of dudes on roids who look terrible

Bodybuilding is overrated and nobody really cares about your muscles except other men obsessed with them

 

[tareload]

All for a bit more muscle that nobody will even notice or give a shit about lol

Bodybuilding is all about genetic and to some degree hormones. Most teenagers have high testosterone in the 800+ and you dont see them walking around jacked and ripped

Similarly lots of dudes on roids who look terrible

Bodybuilding is overrated and nobody really cares about your muscles except other men obsessed with them

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

the body knows is fake as in not natural, because is not produced by the balls, the balls shrink in size and the brain is no longer signals for the balls to produce testosterone, the body knows

You have a misconception of pharmaceutical testosterone. To compare; Pharmaceutical, recombitant DNA insulin is insulin. You're body recognizes it and utilizes it. The same with testosterone. If you're primary hypogonadism, your testicles aren't being sufficiently stimulated or there's some other reason, so using testosterone is appropriate. If you're secondary, which is what you seem to be referring to, the problem is in the pituitary and/or hypothalamus or there's cellular resistance, none of which can be 'fixed' so you go on TRT.

 

[Willyt]

I was hovering between 360-450ng natty

Now im at 766 but with lots of sides like bloated, palpitations, erection issues i didnt have before my PSA went to 4.5 which means my prostate has enlarged, i dont feel much different except a little more muscle lol

If this is what trt is like then i can be without. Erections is a big issue. For many people i read online it can wreck libido and erection past the honeymoon phase despite having good mumbers on paper

Id rather get back my hardons and bit a little smaller in muscles than this tbh

I agree with you on many points having the learned the hard way over the last several years that TRT is not the panacea promised by the low T marketing machine.

I frequently question why I do TRT considering the time and money involved. The biggest disappointment for has been zero improvement in libido. But on balance, I feel better on TRT than without as an over 50 yr old dude.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself to quit TRT. If you want to quit, then quit. But don't be so quick to dismiss the notion that you may need to tweak your protocol to minimize the side effects including ED. It could be as simple as lowering your dose.

Your natural numbers are not terrible (many of us were in low 200s before starting TRT) so you will be just fine. If you jumped on TRT merely for a bump in muscles, then yeah its probably not worth it.

 

[tareload]

If you jumped on TRT merely for a bump in muscles, then yeah its probably not worth it

True test of the real body dysmorphic iron warriors... when your weenie quits working and that AFIB kicks in. Are you in it to win it or not?

 

[Naegleria]

Its possible that ED happens because it enlarges the prostate as now my PSA has gone and im having some discomfort when urinating

 

[tareload]

Its possible that ED happens because it enlarges the prostate as now my PSA has gone and im having some discomfort when urinating

I am more of a fan of the neurotransmitter hypothesis myself. On TRT 5 years. Absolutely can't get an erection watching any porn. Great cure. Still works eh ok in the human interaction.

Of course the urine flow was not improved LOL. Can't win any races at the urinal.

Almost like the A Clockwork Orange cure.

 

[Systemlord]

Of course the urine flow was not improved LOL.

That lack of proper urine flow may be behind your ED problem. My erections only started improving after urine flow increased.

 

[tareload]

That lack of proper urine flow may be behind your ED problem. My erections only started improving after urine flow increased.

ED? What ED? LoL.

 

[Systemlord]

ED? What ED? LoL.

Absolutely can't get an erection watching any porn. Great cure. Still works eh ok in the human interaction.

Doesn’t that constitute as some degree of erectile function issue?

 

[tareload]

Doesn’t that constitute as some degree of erectile function issue?

That is the question. My hypothesis is No. At least not an issue with any system below the belt.

For all you porn addicts....140 mg/week of test cyp and 10 mg/d escitalopram. That will be $300.

Of course you may have to quit your job or get fired due to motivation issues but no free lunch.

 

[Systemlord]

Of course you may have to quit your job or get fired due to motivation issues but no free lunch.

Before I had all my health issues, before I came off klonopin, I would jerk off 15 times a day, no motivation issues. I got plenty of free lunches, lol.

 

[tareload]

Before I had all my health issues, before I came off klonopin, I would jerk off 15 times a day, no motivation issues. I got plenty of free lunches, lol.

Wow sounds painful. That takes work, dedication, and terminator-like non-existent refractory period.

@Coconutz what do you think? Is that too much? What is your record? 24?

 

[Naegleria]

It kinda makes sense because i read reports of people who quit and recover their erections and libido.

If it was a physical issue this wouldn’t happen

Its possible the homeymoon phase is also caused by this dopamine is increased and you feel better bur eventually the stimulation is too much

Doesnt mean it happens to everyone but some men who are more prone to it

Similar to porn addiction when you do it too much and similar to other drug addictions that constantly fire the dopamine rush

People say is prolacti or estradiol maybe in some cases what about the cases where all numbers are ideal?

This stimulation of the CNS could result in the heart palpitations faster heart rate snd blood
Pressure in many

So for some men who have overreactive nervous system then trt could make things worse

 

[tareload]

It kinda makes sense because i read reports of people who quit and recover their erections and libido.

If it was a physical issue this wouldn’t happen

Its possible the homeymoon phase is also caused by this dopamine is increased and you feel better bur eventually the stimulation is too much

Doesnt mean it happens to everyone but some men who are more prone to it

Similar to porn addiction when you do it too much and similar to other drug addictions that constantly fire the dopamine rush

People say is prolacti or estradiol maybe in some cases what about the cases where all numbers are ideal?

This stimulation of the CNS could result in the heart palpitations faster heart rate snd blood
Pressure in many

So for some men who have overreactive nervous system then trt could make things worse

You seem to have a high IQ and think critically. Again, I will say congrats and sorry at the same time.

 

[Systemlord]

That takes work, dedication, and terminator-like non-existent refractory period.

A 45 minute refractory period, lol.

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

It kinda makes sense because i read reports of people who quit and recover their erections and libido.

If it was a physical issue this wouldn’t happen

Its possible the homeymoon phase is also caused by this dopamine is increased and you feel better bur eventually the stimulation is too much

Doesnt mean it happens to everyone but some men who are more prone to it

Similar to porn addiction when you do it too much and similar to other drug addictions that constantly fire the dopamine rush

People say is prolacti or estradiol maybe in some cases what about the cases where all numbers are ideal?

This stimulation of the CNS could result in the heart palpitations faster heart rate snd blood
Pressure in many

So for some men who have overreactive nervous system then trt could make things worse

Overactive sympathetic nervous system. Stuck in fight or flight. Seen in PTSD/C-PTSD, anxiety disorders and other psychiatric/neuro-psychiatric disorders. When you're stuck in fight or flight, you're in survival mode and erections are not part of trying to save your life, even if it's events or emotions playing out over and over in your head and body. Also hypertension, palps, gastro issues, overactive bladder. The neuro-endocrine system in overdrive.

 

[RickB]

Wow, how many times can the OP reiterate that he has ED? LOL!

Eh whatevs, my penis has been hit or miss for 30 years (mostly miss), and trt hasn't done anything for it. I have some kind of inhibition that came from childhood I think, but I don't even care enough to try to get to the bottom of it. Sex is such a small part of life.

 

[Charliebizz]

I’ve been on trt for over 3 years straight this go around. And I’ve been in the trt space for over 15 years. Trust me I tried everything not to have to use trt. But trt has helped tremendously with recovery from work outs. I feel great playing competitive hockey still. My libido and erections are much better. I do not get hypoglycemia type bouts Anymore. i still have up and down energy issues. And tons of body pain. But I’m sure people with good batural testosterone can have same issues. Not everything is testosterone related. But to say most guys dont need it. And it will break your dick is just nonsense. Sure it happens. But i Doubt it’s even close to 50% let alone “most“ people