Less than 50 mg of T per week

[Sergel]

I am currently testing at 50mg per week, once a week... In my search for better libido and erections... lower seems to work best... I like the once a week enanthate dosing, I don't think long esters should be injected every day, we need that swing to feel optimum I think.... I never felt good on daily or e2d ... even twice a week on such low doses seem to not work as well... the lower the dose I think the lesser the frequency is better... you need your T to tank before getting another shot... I think 5 days would be ideal but who wants to deal with that! ... so 7 days is a good compromise for me. I am on week 5 of 50mg (from 60) and feeling fine wit slightly better libido... Waiting another couple of weeks and will then switch to 60 to see the difference...

Been on TRT for almost 8 years now, always chasing better dosage... (I should say optimizing, I would not go back to pre-trt) ... I'm 68 for reference...

Life is good, T was a life changer for me... happy to experiment...

 

[Willyt]

I am currently testing at 50mg per week, once a week... In my search for better libido and erections... lower seems to work best... I like the once a week enanthate dosing, I don't think long esters should be injected every day, we need that swing to feel optimum I think.... I never felt good on daily or e2d ... even twice a week on such low doses seem to not work as well... the lower the dose I think the lesser the frequency is better... you need your T to tank before getting another shot... I think 5 days would be ideal but who wants to deal with that! ... so 7 days is a good compromise for me. I am on week 5 of 50mg (from 60) and feeling fine wit slightly better libido... Waiting another couple of weeks and will then switch to 60 to see the difference...

Been on TRT for almost 8 years now, always chasing better dosage... (I should say optimizing, I would not go back to pre-trt) ... I'm 68 for reference...

Life is good, T was a life changer for me... happy to experiment...

As a longtime daily guy, I am always curious about protocols like yours. Couple of questions:

1. When on 60mg, was that 1x per week? If yes, why the reduction to 50mg?
2. Also, why do you say 5 days would be ideal?
3. How is your sleep on 1x week versus daily? Just wondering if that big peak and valley mess with your sleep.
4. Subq or shallow IM?

 

[Sergel]

As a longtime daily guy, I am always curious about protocols like yours. Couple of questions:

1. When on 60mg, was that 1x per week? If yes, why the reduction to 50mg?
2. Also, why do you say 5 days would be ideal?
3. How is your sleep on 1x week versus daily? Just wondering if that big peak and valley mess with your sleep.
4. Subq or shallow IM?

I failed to say that I was on twice a week on 60mg, and decided to try 50 and went to 1 a week... so this is new to me... and seems to work better. So I will try 60 once a week after my 7 or 8 weeks on 50 (you have to wait that long to stabilize)...

The half life of enanthate would be more inline with 5 days than 7 ... but 5 days makes the schedule wierd... and I don't want to bother... (maybe I will one day... lol)

Sleep is grean, no change there... the peak is not that bad really... those are relatively small dose...

I do subq in the belly... 50mg is not too big of a bump... lol So it is still quite comfortable.

The problem with frequent injection with long esters (enanthate/Cyp are about 5days) is that you end up with a very steady, always the same T level which is not biologically correct... (at least in my view...) We need highs and lows with T ... This eb and flow of T normally occurs daily, but because we are stuck with long esters, we can't do this. I wish I had access to Propionate, I would do daily injections with that... but being in Canada, no one offers Prop... So I am stuck with long esters. I would need to switch to orals/creams/nasal if I wanted to have the more natural eb and flow... Maybe I will try it one day...

Too bad I can get Prop...

 

[Willyt]

The problem with frequent injection with long esters (enanthate/Cyp are about 5days) is that you end up with a very steady, always the same T level which is not biologically correct... (at least in my view...) We need highs and lows with T ... This eb and flow of T normally occurs daily, but because we are stuck with long esters, we can't do this. I wish I had access to Propionate, I would do daily injections with that... but being in Canada, no one offers Prop... So I am stuck with long esters. I would need to switch to orals/creams/nasal if I wanted to have the more natural eb and flow... Maybe I will try it one day...

Too bad I can get Prop...

Many thanks for the responses. I have experimented a lot with daily Prop and found that standalone TP - even at low doses - is too much of a roller coaster ending in afternoon crash. I had even tried 2x daily with TP but was underwhelmed. Hence the reason there are guys (including me) blending Prop with medium ester like enanthate for stability with a morning spike.

I have always been intrigued (and a bit envious) by the other of end of the spectrum e.g., low dose 1 x week

 

[itsme]

I failed to say that I was on twice a week on 60mg, and decided to try 50 and went to 1 a week... so this is new to me... and seems to work better. So I will try 60 once a week after my 7 or 8 weeks on 50 (you have to wait that long to stabilize)...

The half life of enanthate would be more inline with 5 days than 7 ... but 5 days makes the schedule wierd... and I don't want to bother... (maybe I will one day... lol)

Sleep is grean, no change there... the peak is not that bad really... those are relatively small dose...

I do subq in the belly... 50mg is not too big of a bump... lol So it is still quite comfortable.

The problem with frequent injection with long esters (enanthate/Cyp are about 5days) is that you end up with a very steady, always the same T level which is not biologically correct... (at least in my view...) We need highs and lows with T ... This eb and flow of T normally occurs daily, but because we are stuck with long esters, we can't do this. I wish I had access to Propionate, I would do daily injections with that... but being in Canada, no one offers Prop... So I am stuck with long esters. I would need to switch to orals/creams/nasal if I wanted to have the more natural eb and flow... Maybe I will try it one day...

Too bad I can get Prop...

I never heard what you said...."The problem with frequent injection with long esters (enanthate/Cyp are about 5days) is that you end up with a very steady, always the same T level which is not biologically correct... (at least in my view...) We need highs and lows with T".In another word you want feel sometimes good and sometimes bad, that's roller coast .
I thought TRT is about feeling good as much as steady as possible and actually mimic the natural production (daily 5-7mg for adult ) avoiding possibly all the side effects that comes from steroid Testosterone correlated to the dose(the higher the dose the higher the side effects).
But anyway all is subjective what good for you may nt be good for others.
This is a typical example i cannot believe you injected 50mg SBQ and "not too big of a bump... lol So it is still quite comfortable", i doubt. I tried 7.5mg daily SBQ and i cannot tollerate because i get a large redness for about a week, every time,be it grape seed or MCT carrier oil.. So i gave up and switched on Deltoids and thighs, the best.
I am curious to know what's your Hematocrit and the E2?
The 2 problematic things for most man on TRT.
In my case no metter what i do 2x w-EOD-Daily-lowered the T dose from 100mg,then 60mg and recently 52.5mg.and still Hematocrit 52-53 and E at 51-52, what's wrong, maybe its genetic.
Maybe i should try your suggestion 50mg every 5-7 days LOL. Who knows, it's all about trials and errors.

 

[Sergel]

I never heard what you said...."The problem with frequent injection with long esters (enanthate/Cyp are about 5days) is that you end up with a very steady, always the same T level which is not biologically correct... (at least in my view...) We need highs and lows with T".In another word you want feel sometimes good and sometimes bad, that's roller coast .
I thought TRT is about feeling good as much as steady as possible and actually mimic the natural production (daily 5-7mg for adult ) avoiding possibly all the side effects that comes from steroid Testosterone correlated to the dose(the higher the dose the higher the side effects).
But anyway all is subjective what good for you may nt be good for others.
This is a typical example i cannot believe you injected 50mg SBQ and "not too big of a bump... lol So it is still quite comfortable", i doubt. I tried 7.5mg daily SBQ and i cannot tollerate because i get a large redness for about a week, every time,be it grape seed or MCT carrier oil.. So i gave up and switched on Deltoids and thighs, the best.
I am curious to know what's your Hematocrit and the E2?
The 2 problematic things for most man on TRT.
In my case no metter what i do 2x w-EOD-Daily-lowered the T dose from 100mg,then 60mg and recently 52.5mg.and still Hematocrit 52-53 and E at 51-52, what's wrong, maybe its genetic.
Maybe i should try your suggestion 50mg every 5-7 days LOL. Who knows, it's all about trials and errors.

You probably have not tried every week injection, frankly, I don't feel any different at all pre or post injection... I don't feel highs and lows.. and my SHBG is quite low as you can imagine if I get by with just 50 mg ...

The feeling of high test for me is cumulative, ie relative to my total weekly dose. And weekly because the half life is about a week... that's why it takes about 4 to 6 weeks to reach a steady state.

Did you ever plot your doses on the steroid calculator? It plots your levels based on the ester/dose/time... quite interesting to see. It actually shows visually what daily injection of long esters do... the end up with a very steady state, which to me (we are all diffrent i guess) feels way worst than when I have weekly swings (wich I don't feel... I sometimes forget to do my injection and do it the next day... ) ... When injecting long esters daily, I feel flat...

Hematocrit has never been an issue for me, even when I was running way too hot... Maybe I am lucky this way or it's just that I always drink a large bottle of water before drawing blood... which influences hematocrit quite a bit...

You should try once a week... you never know, it could be your magic bullet...

 

[GreenMachineX]

TESTOSTERONE, FREE (DIALYSIS) AND TOTAL,MS

TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MS

491
Reference Range: 250-1100 ng/dL



TESTOSTERONE, FREE (Dialysis)

90.3
Reference Range: 30.0-135.0 pg/m

The SHBG dont have but i Know its low, tested once,was 11.


Lowering more the T dose. Its an idea but am afraid it would be underdose and bad feeling may creep up.

When i first started on TRT was doing 50mgx2 Mon-Thu=100mg and felt better with T.T at 900 But the hematocrit and the E stayed always the same 53-52 respectively. Because of that i went to 30mg x2 Mon-Thu=60mg.But like i said the E and the hematocrit stayed the same. Then i lowered more to 52.5mg and switched also to daily injection at 7.5mg and the E and Hemat. still the same. I just dont get it.
Maybe its just genetic and should leave it alone.
The only bad thing is a little fatigue and that maybe be also for the lower ferritin which was at 17 last time.

How do you measure 7.5mg per day?