2nd week on 50 mg Twice a Week .

[Bama Boy]

I started out taking 300 every 3weeks That sucked !!!And 100 every week ,Which was better ! Then I went to 50mg twice a week after stumbling upon Nelsons Youtube video 2weeks ago which brought me to this wonderful site , that protocol Makes me feel a night and day difference . Surprised it happened so quickly . Has anyone else had this experience? I have learned a lot from You guys. I have really enjoyed reading and learning from folks Like Nelson ,Gene and Vince . Just to Name a few . Now I will shut up and see what the guys who have walked this path before and much longer than me has to say . Thanks!

 

[Vince]

I started with 70mg of t and 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days. I couldn't believe how good I felt, my libido went super high. It scared my girlfriend and she broke up with me. I have a good one . Also all my brain fog is gone.

 

[Bama Boy]

I started with 70mg of t and 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days. I couldn't believe how good I felt, my libido went super high. It scared my girlfriend and she broke up with me. I have a good one . Also all my brain fog is gone.

Good to know brother ! I am going to start HCG soon myself . Most I've seen on here do 250iu twice a week I think ? Do you have to Take an AI ?

 

[Vince]

My latest testosterone panel from 3-21-16 Total Testosterone, Serum 1042 ng/dL 348 - 1197
Free Testosterone(Direct) 23.0 High pg/mL 6.6 - 18.1
DHEA-Sulfate 305.4 ug/dL 48.9 - 344.2
Estradiol, Sensitive 28.2 pg/mL 8.0 - 35.0
I'm injecting 90 mg of T and 500 iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days also taking 25 mg of dhea every morning. No AI

Read more at: https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?6502-My-latest-testosterone-panel-from-3-21-16

 

[Bama Boy]

Forgive My ignorance but I thought you couldn't supplement Dhea while on TRT ? I am Still trying to learn about all these Numbers !What does 1042,348-1197 represent?

My latest testosterone panel from 3-21-16 Total Testosterone, Serum 1042 ng/dL 348 - 1197
Free Testosterone(Direct) 23.0 High pg/mL 6.6 - 18.1
DHEA-Sulfate 305.4 ug/dL 48.9 - 344.2
Estradiol, Sensitive 28.2 pg/mL 8.0 - 35.0
I'm injecting 90 mg of T and 500 iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days also taking 25 mg of dhea every morning. No AI

Read more at: https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?6502-My-latest-testosterone-panel-from-3-21-16

 

[Vince]

Forgive My ignorance but I thought you couldn't supplement Dhea while on TRT ? I am Still trying to learn about all these Numbers !What does 1042,348-1197 represent?

1042 my total testosterone, 348 - 1197 normal range for total testosterone.

 

[ERO]

Forgive My ignorance but I thought you couldn't supplement Dhea while on TRT ? I am Still trying to learn about all these Numbers !What does 1042,348-1197 represent?

As we age DHEA levels fall on average, so by the time most of us go on TRT, we test low for DHEA and many if not most of us supplement with low doses like 25 mg once or twice daily. Your levels look pretty decent though.

 

[ERO]

Good to know brother ! I am going to start HCG soon myself . Most I've seen on here do 250iu twice a week I think ? Do you have to Take an AI ?

With AIs, the best 'rule' to follow is not to take one unless you have overt symptoms of high E2 or test very high with the sensitive assay for E2. Doctors that start guys out with an AI with no blood work or symptoms supporting it's use are a red flag that you need a different Doc.

 

[Bama Boy]

1042 my total testosterone, 348 - 1197 normal range for total testosterone.

That's Impressive ! What I forgot to mention was The doc put me on 200 once a month first before putting me on 300 every three weeks ugh! My damn level was 190 when I started out . I am 41 and a former national champion Martial artist ! I never could get up the energy to do anything but work . 6 years ago I was like 10 % body fat and now Ive gained 60lbs but I have lost 6lbs in the last 2 weeks

 

[Bama Boy]

With AIs, the best 'rule' to follow is not to take one unless you have overt symptoms of high E2 or test very high with the sensitive assay for E2. Doctors that start guys out with an AI with no blood work or symptoms supporting it's use are a red flag that you need a different Doc.

Good to know . Thanks ! I am going to stick with my 50mg test every 3.5 days I am adding HCG .250iu with my test starting next week trying that for a month and then getting blood work .

 

[James]

Just finished 3 months of 120mg with once weekly injections. Currently on 60mg twice weekly with 1/4 AI. I've got to say this 60mg twice weekly (120 total), feels like more than the 120 I was taken once a week.

Vince & ERO - What brand of DHEA are you taking?

 

[Bama Boy]

Just finished 3 months of 120mg with once weekly injections. Currently on 60mg twice weekly with 1/4 AI. I've got to say this 60mg twice weekly (120 total), feels like more than the 120 I was taken once a week.

Vince & ERO - What brand of DHEA are you taking?

James are you taking HCG also ? Just curious

 

[James]

No I have not taken HCG but definitely will after my next set of labs after starting this new protocol. I change one thing at a time and generally go about 5 weeks before making any other necessary changes. I'll start taking HCG but I've never had an issue with testicular atrophy. From what I've researched it sounds like HCG benefits a man in ways beyond testicle size.

 

[Gene Devine]

The supplementation of DHEA and Pregnenolone while on TRT is not necessarily to replace what we lose to aging then it is to "back fill" the androgenic pathway and support all three of our metabolic pathways.

By putting in a lot of exogenous testosterone far down stream the androgenic pathway we slow up the production line far upstream and this mean less production of both Preg and DHEA as a result of the negative feedback loop.

Therefore, this is why most TRT Practitioner's who know what the hell they are doing always add in both so as to support all three metabolic pathways.

This is something only where those Doc's who know their shit always prescribe it...and there is a reason for that...and for all of us, we don't need a prescription to purchase it as it is an OTC.

There's a lot here on EM that you can learn more about the importance of supplementing these these two critical pro-hormones to learn why you need them!!!

 

[ERO]

James are you taking HCG also ? Just curious

I just got some DHEA troches from Defy Medical last week, but before that I was using this one

 

[Bama Boy]

The supplementation of DHEA and Pregnenolone while on TRT is not necessarily to replace what we lose to aging then it is to "back fill" the androgenic pathway and support all three of our metabolic pathways.

By putting in a lot of exogenous testosterone far down stream the androgenic pathway we slow up the production line far upstream and this mean less production of both Preg and DHEA as a result of the negative feedback loop.

Therefore, this is why most TRT Practitioner's who know what the hell they are doing always add in both so as to support all three metabolic pathways.

This is something only where those Doc's who know their shit always prescribe it...and there is a reason for that...and for all of us, we don't need a prescription to purchase it as it is an OTC.

There's a lot here on EM that you can learn more about the importance of supplementing these these two critical pro-hormones to learn why you need them!!!

Thanks Gene . I do know what Dhea is but Not Pregnenolone about to research ! LOL

 

[Bama Boy]

Thanks again Gene How much Pregnenolone

a day

 

[Gene Devine]

DHEA - 25 mg twice daily, or if in slow release 50 mg once daily.

Pregnenolone - 50 mg once daily.

Best if taken in a micronized form and in slow release....pharmacy grade is the best.

This is where I buy it from: www.dhea.com for both...and no prescription required.

 

[Bama Boy]

Awesome Thanks man ! I will be ordering soon!

DHEA - 25 mg twice daily, or if in slow release 50 mg once daily.

Pregnenolone - 50 mg once daily.

Best if taken in a micronized form and in slow release....pharmacy grade is the best.

This is where I buy it from: www.dhea.com for both...and no prescription required.

 

[Bama Boy]

What major differences did you notice after starting these ?

DHEA - 25 mg twice daily, or if in slow release 50 mg once daily.

Pregnenolone - 50 mg once daily.

Best if taken in a micronized form and in slow release....pharmacy grade is the best.

This is where I buy it from: www.dhea.com for both...and no prescription required.