Help me make up my mind about a change in protocol

Gianluca

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Hi guys,

After trying subQ injection for my 3rd time with no success, I think I'm left to go back to IM injections. I just don't absorb subQ as well as IM.

I'm debating if I should go back again to either EOD or ED as injection frequency.

I would choose ED as a peace of mind about having more stable levels and less mood/emotional swings, (my SHBG is at 10). However, I think about scar tissues build up in the muscles. I also noticed 2-3 times already, that every time I add the ventrogluteal injection site, my T level drop, so I would be left injecting into quads and delts, basically rotating 4 injection sites.
I noticed when doing ED IM I would see often a lump developing on my delts, I use 29G 1/2in insulin syringe.

I thought about scrotal cream, but I'm not convinced about the excessive conversion into DHT, otherwise that would be a winner.

What do you guys think? do you perhaps have some better tips on how to rotate IM injection sites? @FunkOdyssey @Cataceous
 
Hi guys,

After trying subQ injection for my 3rd time with no success, I think I'm left to go back to IM injections. I just don't absorb subQ as well as IM.
What's the difference in serum levels?
Could you adapt the subq dose to match the IM levels?

I'm debating if I should go back again to either EOD or ED as injection frequency.

I would choose ED as a peace of mind about having more stable levels and less mood/emotional swings, (my SHBG is at 10). However, I think about scar tissues build up in the muscles. I also noticed 2-3 times already, that every time I add the ventrogluteal injection site, my T level drop, so I would be left injecting into quads and delts, basically rotating 4 injection sites.
I noticed when doing ED IM I would see often a lump developing on my delts, I use 29G 1/2in insulin syringe.

I thought about scrotal cream, but I'm not convinced about the excessive conversion into DHT, otherwise that would be a winner.
You could apply the cream to your shoulders.
Another option is oral TU.
What do you guys think? do you perhaps have some better tips on how to rotate IM injection sites? @FunkOdyssey @Cataceous
 
What do you guys think? do you perhaps have some better tips on how to rotate IM injection sites?
Each site can be subdivided into many more mini-sites. You don't need to, nor should you IMO, inject into the bullseye center of these muscles everytime. Move all around.

I'm debating if I should go back again to either EOD or ED as injection frequency.
EOD is great for most people. Use a thicker viscosity formula for this if the most stable levels are your goal.


However, I think about scar tissues build up in the muscles.
This doesn't have to be a thing. First, you can use 30G 1/2" instead of 29G, second, move around alot at each site as explained above, third, keep the needle as steady as possible and inject slowly. Shaking, trembling needle does damage, rapid injection does damage.

With these methods I have been doing daily VG injections (no other muscles in the rotation) for a long time with no scar tissue buildup.
 

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