I've struggled with estrogen management since I began trt about a year ago. I've always injected Sub-Q and the research supports T levels through Sub-Q. However, at my Wit's end I decided to begin injecting in my deltoid about 2 weeks ago. It's really made a big difference in my estrogen side effects. I haven't used an AI I'm over a week and though I can tell my estrogen up a little bit, normally my side effects are off the chart by now. I'm going for blood work later this afternoon just so I have a legitimate understanding of what my estradiol number actually is compared to my current state. However I definitely feel better now than I have in a long long time. I I'm hoping this continues obviously
Finally!!!
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Vince Carter
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I get a whole different absorption rate from quads to delts, switched up about 6 months ago and my TT/FT numbers have been way up on the same daily dose. But unfort my E management didn't go the same route and still over-convert and am overly sensitive to the E, still need a lot of AI every day.
I think I'll probably still need an AI as well but I can already go much longer without one and the symptoms are much less severe so I'm thinking the dosing will be much lower.
Systemlord
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I aromatised quite a bit more injecting Sub-Q, but note your levels are still in flux since you just made a change and it may be a bit too early to start celebrating success. You need at least 4-6 more weeks to determine if estrogen is or isn't a problem.
When testosterone and estrogen become stable at 6 weeks, then we'll see.
When testosterone and estrogen become stable at 6 weeks, then we'll see.
Yeah I get that but I've never made it this far this well.
Vince Carter
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I established my 16mg/D dose back with SQ in the thigh/belly and I'm seeing such higher levels that I could reduce that dose to 14, or even 12 and still hit the lab range for FT in trough. At last test on 16mg/D in the delt I ran:
TT 1036
FT 312 (35-155)
I have a new set of labs pending now but Im doing great just can't shake the AI it seems
TT 1036
FT 312 (35-155)
I have a new set of labs pending now but Im doing great just can't shake the AI it seems
Sean Mosher
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So you noticed substantially different levels when injecting in the quads versus the delts?
Higher with the quads I"m assuming?
Vince Carter
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It's higher levels in the delts, from SQ in the thigh and/or belly. It's really an IM in the delts as I'm lean enough there vs the fat in the belly or thigh, using a 29g 1/2".
Well it was fun while it lasted but the good ride was over. Mother e took over the battle once again and started kicking my ass. Also, based on the blood work I actually had higher testosterone doses Sub-Q I lost about two hundred when I moved to the Deltsl. Dropping from 700 ish to 500ish.
Just one man's frustrating story trying to find is happy place with testosterone replacement therapy. I'm going full circle, I say that with a chuckle, I'm now back to thinking maybe I should have stuck with with every 3 day dosing as my notes from that time don't list too many symptoms. I don't know it seems like the only time I feel decent about it a week or so after I make a change. I think I'm going to have to get into the fact that I'm going to have to take an AI twice a week no matter what. Part of my issues been trying to avoid the AI, but I always find myself suffering from high e symptoms about 7 days after going without. it always starts the same I wake up about 2 in the morning with a racing heart pounding chest feels like somebody sitting on my chest and serious serious heartburn I taken an ai and one hour later I feel good as new. I'm sure that cycle can't be good on my old ticker so I just need to start smaller dosing twice per week I guess and then try to find a happy space
Just one man's frustrating story trying to find is happy place with testosterone replacement therapy. I'm going full circle, I say that with a chuckle, I'm now back to thinking maybe I should have stuck with with every 3 day dosing as my notes from that time don't list too many symptoms. I don't know it seems like the only time I feel decent about it a week or so after I make a change. I think I'm going to have to get into the fact that I'm going to have to take an AI twice a week no matter what. Part of my issues been trying to avoid the AI, but I always find myself suffering from high e symptoms about 7 days after going without. it always starts the same I wake up about 2 in the morning with a racing heart pounding chest feels like somebody sitting on my chest and serious serious heartburn I taken an ai and one hour later I feel good as new. I'm sure that cycle can't be good on my old ticker so I just need to start smaller dosing twice per week I guess and then try to find a happy space
A lot guys experience that.
And a lot of guys also experience feeling off weeks 3-4 after a change, which is right around where you're at.
If E2 is your issue, have you tried EOD or daily injections? Some guys seem to have success with that.
Just curious, as I so far don't feel the need for an AI - but I did not realize it works so fast. Is that typical for most guys, that an AI can relieve high-E symptoms within an hour after taking it? I thought the AI stops/inhibits aromatization, which would imply that someone would continue to have the high-E symptoms until the body metabolized the excess E.
I use anastrozole, and it takes about an hour.
Man sorry to hear it. Did you notice any improvements with daily injections as compared to say 2x/week?
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