T Propionate protocol

[newuser]

And how do you feel?

I have definitely more energy in the morning, no anxiety and depression without water retention I've had on just enth.

 

[Forty2]

I haven't tested my blood work yet so no idea. Best part to inject for are IM delts.

Ok please let us know when you get the results of your blood work?
Have you tried sub Q shots into the glute fat? That method would be easiest for me to adhere to. Daily delt shots must get old very fast.

 

[newuser]

Ok please let us know when you get the results of your blood work?
Have you tried sub Q shots into the glute fat? That method would be easiest for me to adhere to. Daily delt shots must get old very fast.

Yes of course I will. SubQ shots gave me skin redness and small bumps I think from very slow absorption I couldn't do them daily. You are right about daily delt shots but is the easiest to apply and the quickest to absorb. Second best choice would be IM glutes.

 

[of574]

So I tried Tprop recently at 10mg IM for a week. 5.5h after injection my TT came back at 3075.
I think somewhere in this thread (but possibly in one of the other threads on Tprop) someone mentioned that dosing Tprop is somewhat tricky as it doesn't increase T in a linear way. Is this true?

Reason I am asking is I would like to estimate how much T I am producing naturally (TT 900)
If it were a linear relationship I'd say about 8.4mgx900/3075 , so about 2.5mg.
Is this overly simplified?

 

[Wolverine]

For what it's worth, today marks around 12 weeks of me using prop.

Yes, if you read my story on page 2 (post #36) of this thread, I have on occasion strayed from the usual daily regimen. But I would say 90%+ of the days in the first 10 weeks were 20mg prop daily subq (140mg week) in the AM. Past 2 weeks were 105mg (15mg daily). As of today, I have dropped to 10mg daily AM for the foreseeable future.

Things are still rock hard. Sleep is still shitty.

One last thing - on four days randomly (not recurring days) recently I have popped 5mg generic Valium (diazepam) out of sheer desperation. Sleep was good, but erections went soft the next 24 hours or so. Thereafter things go rock solid titanium again - along with the return of crappy sleep. Just going to keep dropping the prop dose as time goes on and see what happens.

When you say subq, what size needle do you use and where do you inject? Tx

 

[Wolverine]

Based on my most recent lab blood work testing at 4 hr post, 10 hr post and 24 hr post/trough with Prop @ 15mg/ed SQ.... I am happy and feel I am in the best position that I'm ever gonna be in with TRT at this point. I don't believe it's coincidence that my sleep is slowly improving especially as I can see how my levels gradually drop from Peak to trough with no ridiculous supraphysiological swings at any point. Only improvement I could see to do is to inject at 5am instead of my usual 730-8am.
(lab corp values 280.0 - 1,100.0 ng/dL)
4hr post inject: 1312
10hr post inject: 1122
24hr post inject: 624

When you say subq, what size needle do you use and where do you inject? Tx

 

[Nixter]

This has been a very interesting read. A couple months ago (after years of enanth/cyp) I started 100mg/wk prop subq, divided into 3 equally spaced injections. The first couple weeks were amazing, and then the libido and elections started to decline again. Even if my peaks and valleys were extreme, you'd expect I'd hit a sweet spot somewhere in between where erections were good. Nope.

 

[camygod]

This has been a very interesting read. A couple months ago (after years of enanth/cyp) I started 100mg/wk prop subq, divided into 3 equally spaced injections. The first couple weeks were amazing, and then the libido and elections started to decline again. Even if my peaks and valleys were extreme, you'd expect I'd hit a sweet spot somewhere in between where erections were good. Nope.

So did you go back to enth or cyo

 

[Wolverine]

This has been a very interesting read. A couple months ago (after years of enanth/cyp) I started 100mg/wk prop subq, divided into 3 equally spaced injections. The first couple weeks were amazing, and then the libido and elections started to decline again. Even if my peaks and valleys were extreme, you'd expect I'd hit a sweet spot somewhere in between where erections were good. Nope.

From reading this thread, I believe you have to do more frequently than 3 times a week. Every day likely or possibly EOD.

 

[Nixter]

So did you go back to enth or cyo

No. I felt better on those first couple weeks of prop than I ever have so I'd like to figure out how to continue that.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

No. I felt better on those first couple weeks of prop than I ever have so I'd like to figure out how to continue that.

Honeymoons are common with almost any change in protocol. With this change specifically, the first couple of weeks you had higher levels due to adding prop on top of lingering long ester, contributing to a possible honeymoon, and you also had lingering long ester keeping your troughs higher, masking how low those would be later.

EOD propionate is all around insane to me, with peaks that are insanely high, and troughs that are insanely low. The peak/trough ratio is like 5:1. Even if you think some fluctuation is good, there's such a thing as too much.

Daily is the way with prop. If you don't like daily injections, prop isn't for you.