Should I up the cypionate dose?

[Whatzup]

I've been on cypionate for 7 years or so using 50 to 200 weekly. I feel like no matter the dose I feel about the same. Sure hematocrit and rbc have been elevated the higher the dose but I felt the same. Anyhow, in order to lower hematocrit I finally started 50 again for the last 7 months and the hematocrit was 47 and other times 51.
Lately on 50 weekly I notice I am ok the first few days after the shot but later I feel tired and moody. My T has been like 580 like 38 hours later. I suspect much lower after that.
Should I up the dose?

 

[Cataceous]

Why not try splitting the dose, say into 25-30 mg twice weekly? This will dampen the high/low swings if you're currently injecting once a week.

 

[Whatzup]

Why not try splitting the dose, say into 25-30 mg twice weekly? This will dampen the high/low swings if you're currently injecting once a week.

For me more than once a week is fatiguing.
I've done that before even 3xweek.

 

[Whatzup]

I've been on cypionate for 7 years or so using 50 to 200 weekly. I feel like no matter the dose I feel about the same. Sure hematocrit and rbc have been elevated the higher the dose but I felt the same. Anyhow, in order to lower hematocrit I finally started 50 again for the last 7 months and the hematocrit was 47 and other times 51.
Lately on 50 weekly I notice I am ok the first few days after the shot but later I feel tired and moody. My T has been like 580 like 38 hours later. I suspect much lower after that.
Should I up the dose?

Why not try splitting the dose, say into 25-30 mg twice weekly? This will dampen the high/low swings if you're currently injecting once a week.

If I split the 50 twice a week what would my average daily T be having so little at a time? With 50 once a week it was around 580 in 36ish hours.

 

[Cataceous]

If I split the 50 twice a week what would my average daily T be having so little at a time? With 50 once a week it was around 580 in 36ish hours.

Splitting the dose does not affect your average level of testosterone. Currently you presumably have a relatively high level of testosterone in the day or two after each injection, but a low level in the day or two before each injection. For example, you might hit a peak of 750 ng/dL which drops to a trough of 250 ng/dL before the next injection. Your average could be about 500 ng/dL. If you switched to twice-weekly injections at the same mg/week then you might see a peak of 600 ng/dL dropping to 400 ng/dL while the average remains 500 ng/dL. Avoiding prolonged higher peaks may help to lower hematocrit.

When you say multiple injections per week are fatiguing, do you mean that it wears on you to inject more often or that you actually feel less energetic on the protocol? If it's the latter then we might hypothesize that you need higher peaks but lower average testosterone. You could achieve this by injecting daily with a propionate/cypionate blend. Alternatively you could switch to oral testosterone or testosterone nasal gel. These latter two approaches deliver relatively high, but short pulses of testosterone, which in turn yield lower trough and average testosterone levels. The success of these methods supports the hypothesis that peak daily levels are significant drivers of the benefits we receive from testosterone.

 

[Whatzup]

Splitting the dose does not affect your average level of testosterone. Currently you presumably have a relatively high level of testosterone in the day or two after each injection, but a low level in the day or two before each injection. For example, you might hit a peak of 750 ng/dL which drops to a trough of 250 ng/dL before the next injection. Your average could be about 500 ng/dL. If you switched to twice-weekly injections at the same mg/week then you might see a peak of 600 ng/dL dropping to 400 ng/dL while the average remains 500 ng/dL. Avoiding prolonged higher peaks may help to lower hematocrit.

When you say multiple injections per week are fatiguing, do you mean that it wears on you to inject more often or that you actually feel less energetic on the protocol? If it's the latter then we might hypothesize that you need higher peaks but lower average testosterone. You could achieve this by injecting daily with a propionate/cypionate blend. Alternatively you could switch to oral testosterone or testosterone nasal gel. These latter two approaches deliver relatively high, but short pulses of testosterone, which in turn yield lower trough and average testosterone levels. The success of these methods supports the hypothesis that peak daily levels are significant drivers of the benefits we receive from testosterone.

By fatigue I mean injecting so much gets old. Today I see the doctor. I will talk about all this.
I heard oral form is harsh on the liver. Is this correct?

 

[Cataceous]

By fatigue I mean injecting so much gets old. Today I see the doctor. I will talk about all this.
I heard oral form is harsh on the liver. Is this correct?

No, modern oral forms are not hard on the liver. There are various testosterone undecanoate capsules, and I believe Maximus has a straight testosterone option. Someone here posted that even DIY is possible by ingesting testosterone with oil.

 

[Whatzup]

No, modern oral forms are not hard on the liver. There are various testosterone undecanoate capsules, and I believe Maximus has a straight testosterone option. Someone here posted that even DIY is possible by ingesting testosterone with oil.

I read Maximus but is that actually testosterone or like a supplement that helps promote your natural testosterone levels?
Is it a prescription? Looks like the individual would need to get it straight from Maximus and also pay for labs. I get practically free labs with my insurance.

 

[Whatzup]

I haven't lifted in a while because of bad neck and shoulders but I slowly want to get back easy and steady. 50mg weekly won't build muscles correct? I am not looking for an Arnold physique but tone and overall be healthy.

 

[Cataceous]

I read Maximus but is that actually testosterone or like a supplement that helps promote your natural testosterone levels?
Is it a prescription? Looks like the individual would need to get it straight from Maximus and also pay for labs. I get practically free labs with my insurance.

Maximus is currently featuring three options: the oral testosterone I was referring to, testosterone gel for conventional TRT, and the SERM enclomiphene to stimulate your natural testosterone production. It's likely not the cheapest option for you. You'd get off lightly if your doctor would write a prescription for oral testosterone undecanoate and insurance covered it.

... 50mg weekly won't build muscles correct? I am not looking for an Arnold physique but tone and overall be healthy.

My understanding is that as long as you're achieving normal levels then there's not going to be a lot of difference in the range of 50-100 mg TC/week. You need to get into the abusive amounts of 200-300+ mg/week to really move the needle on musculature. The lower doses should be fine for improving tone and are definitely better for being healthy overall.

 

[Whatzup]

I saw the doctor yesterday and settled for 60 weekly but split. 30 on Mondays and 30 on Fridays. I'll see how I feel with less peaks and valleys.

 

[Whatzup]

One thing I thought about. Spacing like I am doing now by splitting on Mondays and Fridays thats about 4 days apart however, come Fridays to Mondays it is even closer. Does that make it peak more defeating the point even if its split?

 

[Vince]

I've been on cypionate for 7 years or so using 50 to 200 weekly. I feel like no matter the dose I feel about the same. Sure hematocrit and rbc have been elevated the higher the dose but I felt the same. Anyhow, in order to lower hematocrit I finally started 50 again for the last 7 months and the hematocrit was 47 and other times 51.
Lately on 50 weekly I notice I am ok the first few days after the shot but later I feel tired and moody. My T has been like 580 like 38 hours later. I suspect much lower after that.
Should I up the dose?

What type of syringe are you using? Are you using an easy touch?

 

[Whatzup]

What type of syringe are you using? Are you using an easy touch?

Insulin needle.

 

[Vince]

Insulin needle.

I do daily injections, for over 8 years. I use a a 29g 1/2-in easy touch syringe. It's just became part of my daily routine. I know some members do get injection fatigue. Thankfully I never have. I inject in my shoulders, love handles and VG.

 

[Cataceous]

One thing I thought about. Spacing like I am doing now by splitting on Mondays and Fridays thats about 4 days apart however, come Fridays to Mondays it is even closer. Does that make it peak more defeating the point even if its split?

A 4/3 split may not be quite as good as 3.5/3.5, but it's still a significant improvement over the original seven-day cycle. Certainly worth doing...