Have tried every protocol under the sun. No Libido, ED, good labs

[Wandering281]

To the original poster. Theres a reason you dont have proper sexual function with perfect labs. Its called your testosterone protocol isnt right for YOU..

 

[Wandering281]

44 year old grown ass so called man still playing with gear LOL!

You f**king role model!

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I don't take 'gear'. Only bioidentical testosterone. Just like yourself. Only i take waaaaaaaay less than you. But keep preaching too much testosterone is bad. Lmao. 3000+ mgs a week. Come on now brother. How much are you getting paid pushing oral testosterone????

 

[Wandering281]

I mean do you fools attack diabetics because some need more insulin than others?? This forums laughable with all you cucks scared of testosterone yet complaining of limp dicks. DUH...

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Excellent list. @FunkOdyssey ! And it seems he has not one issue. I would add: Frequent masturbation.

He went MIA after the last exchange so I'm guessing we hit a soft spot with anhedonia.

 

[madman]

How bout you just get on your knees and ill show you my sexual function at 44 years old on 400 mgs of testosterone. I.coild easily inject as much as you eat but I choose not to because I AM done blasting steroids. Ive gone down as much as 50mg weekly for months. Guess what?!?! No sexual function till im at where im at now. I went to a doctor at first. Fucked me up with an AI. You'll just never understand unless a man in a white coat holding your hand tells you its ok. your stuck in 80s and believed the demonization of a natural bio identical hormone.

Did it ever occur to you that men that STOP blasting thousands of milligrams of testosterone need more than little girls like yourself? 400mg IS a therapeutic dose for ME. Running circles round me sounds good online bud. But youd have to get on the mats with me and see for your self.

Like I said. Your a just shill for the pharmaceutical industry pushing patented oral testosterone. Pretty easy to see from the insults and lack of addressing the accusations.

I mean the literature said the covid vaccine was healthy. We all know that wasnt the case.

YAWN!

Its okay cinderella Im not down with that sexual fetish you crave as I do not swing both ways LMFAO!

Man child clearly clueless as to how exogenous T works.

400 mg T/week has absolutely nothing to do with HRT/therapeutic doses of T LMFAO!

Again we are using therapeutic dose of T to treat hypogonadism as in 100-200 mg T/week.

Your on a permacycle you know that 400-600 mg T/week men use when abusing T/AAS for the sole purpose of gaining muscle//strength beyond or better yet well beyond their natty genetic set-point.

You know the doses that allow one to attain that fake chemically enhanced build that one could never achieve natty!

Typical clown your one of those cellophane people I can see right through you!

Clueless from the get go.

Claiming you need an absurd weekly dose of T to have a libido LMFAO!

Give your head a shake.

T is not your problem here you clearly have other issues going on most likely mental issues I would say judging by your weak ass comebacks that lack any backing or substance.

Typical half-wit!

Just to be clear here seeing as you are clueless I have been on injections from the get go son!

 

[madman]

I don't take 'gear'. Only bioidentical testosterone. Just like yourself. Only i take waaaaaaaay less than you. But keep preaching too much testosterone is bad. Lmao. 3000+ mgs a week. Come on now brother. How much are you getting paid pushing oral testosterone????

Again for the last f**king time I bang 150 mg T/week you know a therapeutic dose of T you know the dose that has me hitting a high trough TT and more importantly high trough FT you know the dose that has me feeling stellar!

Your banging 400 mg T/week clearly overkill as in well beyond therapeutic let alone well beyond what any man would ever need to have a healthy libido LMFAO!

Hope you understand there are numerous pros who have abused extremely high doses of gear for decades that eventually throw in the towel when they are done competing that end up hypogonadal due to permanent dysfunction hpta and have to go on T therapy for the rest of their lives and the s**t kicker here is none of these guys need >200 mg T/week.

Look up the big names who are retired now.

They are using therapeutic doses of T as in 100-200 mg T/week.

Yates being one of them!

Yet JOE BLOW needs 400 mg T/week LMFAO!

Keep trying to convince yourself!

Anyone with sense in their head would tell you that you are clearly on a permacycle son!

Just burned yourself by running your mouth on here!

UP IN FLAMES as in you just got flamed on numerous posts!

You need to stop dishing out advice on T as you are clearly out of your league on here!

Stop playing on those kiddie forums and go seek out some help!

Time to bury your MUG!

That s**t might fly over on those kiddie forums not here BRUH!

Make yourself a sticky to put on your night stand!

T is a threshold hormone!

Crossing the threshold turns the lights on but cranking the dimmer switch past that doesn't make them shine brighter. It's a ceiling effect, not a linear dose-response!

Especially when it comes to libido and erectile function.

Any one truly in the know as in the top experts in the field would tell you this!

I can name off numerous top experts in the field that have been treating 1000s of men over decades with VAST clinical experience and YEARS of RESEARCH in the field.

Throw my doctor in there too who has 20+ years under his belt and would be considered one of the top uros in Canada specializing in testosterone therapy.

They would eat this up quick!

Abe hitting the nail on the head here!

Clear as day!

* In the anti-aging community or age management community there are some people who believe the there's an optimal level of testosterone that may be 1200 or 1500 or even I've heard 1800 and the basis for that is WEAK!


Abraham Morgentaler

* what's important to understand though is that the concept of testosterone therapy in theory is designed to replicate youthful levels of testosterone to help people who are deficient in this hormone, the goal isn't to make them into supermen and the real question is why do people want to go above normal if at all, much of the concept of treating up lets say a 1000 let's say our normal upper limit, in the anti-aging community or age management community there are some people who believe the there's an optimal level of testosterone that may be 1200 or 1500 or even I've heard 1800 and the basis for that is WEAK!


You know the man who would be considered the father of testosterone and has made huge contributions in the field of testosterone therapy and men's health let alone has treated 1000s of men over decades!

Would be considered one of the top heavyweights when it comes to (research/clinical experience) in the field of hormone replacement therapy!

I will let you get in a few more words before I pull your plug on here as in LIGHTS OUT!

 

[Vince]

Be courteous to others when posting: One fact of being a moderator is that now your actions will reflect back on the forum, on other moderators and the owner personally so please be considerate of that when posting. When becoming moderators we do gain a lot of power but we are also the first ones to give up the most as well. Being a moderator requires that we set an example to others here on the forum day in and day out.

 

[madman]

Be courteous to others when posting: One fact of being a moderator is that now your actions will reflect back on the forum, on other moderators and the owner personally so please be considerate of that when posting. When becoming moderators we do gain a lot of power but we are also the first ones to give up the most as well. Being a moderator requires that we set an example to others here on the forum day in and day out.

You're right but unfortunately some of those. sheep come on here with bad intentions from the get go!

 

[madman]

Your right and unfortunately some come on here with bad intentions from the get go!

You should have pulled the plug here because you clearly knew what this would have led to!

 

[madman]

Hey. Thanks for your reply. Just edited the post to include them, but also here:

• Hemoglobin = 15.7 g/dL (normal)
• HbA1c = 4.4% (excellent)
• Glucose = 84 mg/dL (normal)
• Creatinine = 1.21 mg/dL (normal)
• Total Cholesterol = 143 mg/dL (good)
• HDL = 38 mg/dL (slightly low)
• LDL = 93 mg/dL (good)
• Triglycerides = 62 mg/dL (excellent)
• Vitamin D = 36.76 ng/mL (good)
• Estradiol = 47.4 pg/mL (high)
• Total Testosterone = 11.07 ng/mL (very high)
• Free Testosterone = 65.9 pg/mL (high)
• LH = <0.07 mUI/mL (very low/suppressed)
• FSH = 0.32 mUI/mL (very low/suppressed)
• Prolactin = 7.2 ng/mL (normal)
• SHBG = 34.5 nmol/L (normal)
• TSH = 1.79 μUI/mL (normal)
• PSA = 0.581 ng/mL (good)

Regarding the other questions. I've tried Test E 250mg/200mg/150mg/100mg split twice/three times a week on Test E. I've tried 100mg and 200mg Test C split twice a week. I've tried 20mg daily of Test C. I've tried 10mg daily of Test P.

Never less than 6 weeks. Don't have labs for all of them unfortunately because it's expensive. I've tried HCG as well. No gel or cream. I'd like to mention that in all of the protocols mentioned beforehand, I've felt the same. I mean I can stop TRT right now and/or change to any of the lower/higher doses and barely feel a difference in terms of libido and EQ.

Regarding the rest of the factors:

• Sleep deprivation / obstructive sleep apnea -> Already did sleep apnea test, ruled out.
• Depression / anhedonia -> Never tested, not even sure how to.
• Anxiety / chronic stress -> No.
• Performance anxiety -> No. I used to be able to do everything just fine pre TRT.
• Relationship problems / attraction issues -> Not an issue.
• Erectile dysfunction masquerading as low libido -> Not sure what this means.
• Delayed orgasm / anorgasmia -> No, if I use my hand I can literally get it done in 2 minutes without much effort. Also no orgasm.
• Genital numbness or reduced sexual sensation -> I have no pleasure in sex.
• Medication side effects -> No.
• SSRI/SNRI effects or post-SSRI sexual dysfunction -> Never took them.
• Finasteride/dutasteride effects or post-finasteride syndrome -> Never took them.
• Isotretinoin-associated sexual dysfunction -> Not sure what this is.
• Opioid use -> Never took them.
• Alcohol use -> Use to drink more pre TRT and never had an issue. Interestingly enough sometimes when I am sleep deprived from a night out the next day, sometimes I can get random erections, but not full, but theres some life down there.
• Cannabis or other recreational drug use -> Never did it.
• Thyroid dysfunction -> Doesn't look like it based on labs.
• Insulin resistance / metabolic syndrome -> Never tested for metabolic syndrome.
• Diabetes / prediabetes -> No.
• Obesity -> I'm not overweight
• Cardiovascular disease / endothelial dysfunction -> I do a lot of cardio, not sure about endothelial never tested.
• Hypertension -> Not an issue, tensions are good.
• Dyslipidemia -> Not sure what this is.
• Iron deficiency / anemia -> Not an issue.
• B12 or folate deficiency -> Not sure.
• Vitamin D deficiency -> Not an issue.
• Chronic inflammation -> Once I got a blood test with elevated CRP but I was just coming back from being sick.
• Chronic pain -> No.
• Autoimmune disease -> Don't know how to test this.
• Chronic kidney disease -> Kidney is fine.
• Liver disease -> Liver is fine.
• GI disease / malabsorption -> Never tested.
• Chronic fatigue / overtraining -> No.
• Undereating / low energy availability -> No.
• Poor physical fitness / deconditioning -> No.
• Porn/sexual conditioning mismatch -> No. Can't get hard with porn or a 10/10 girl.
• Low novelty / habituation -> Not sure what this is.
• Pelvic floor dysfunction -> Not sure how to test
• Chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome -> Not sure how to test
• Peripheral neuropathy -> Not sure how to test.
• Spinal/lumbar nerve issues -> Not sure how to test.
• High sympathetic tone / autonomic dysfunction -> Not sure how to test.
• ADHD-related reward dysfunction -> Not sure how to test.
• Dopamine/reward-system dysfunction -> Not sure how to test.
• Body image issues -> No issues here.
• Religious/moral conflict or sexual shame -> No issues here.
• Trauma history -> No issues here.
• Major life stressors / burnout -> No issues here.
• Poor relationship communication -> No issues here.
• Partner sexual dysfunction or desire mismatch -> No issues here.
• Lack of privacy, time, or opportunity -> No issues here.

Hope this explains the situation a bit better, if there is anything else I could add or clarify additionally please let me know.

Thank you for the help.

Regarding the other questions. I've tried Test E 250mg/200mg/150mg/100mg split twice/three times a week on Test E. I've tried 100mg and 200mg Test C split twice a week. I've tried 20mg daily of Test C. I've tried 10mg daily of Test P.

Never less than 6 weeks. Don't have labs for all of them unfortunately because it's expensive. I've tried HCG as well. No gel or cream. I'd like to mention that in all of the protocols mentioned beforehand, I've felt the same. I mean I can stop TRT right now and/or change to any of the lower/higher doses and barely feel a difference in terms of libido and EQ.


Huge red flag here!

Again as I stated previously

When tweaking a protocol whether increasing or decreasing dose the first 6 weeks mean nothing when looking at the bigger picture here.

You need to keep in mind that when first starting therapy or tweaking a protocol (doseT) it will take 4-6 weeks (TC/TE) to reach steady-state when using esterified TC/TE and it is common for one to. experience ups/downs during the weeks leading up until blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks) as the body it trying to ADJUST.

Even then once blood levels have stabilized it will still take a few more months for the body to ADAPT to its new SET-POINT and this is the critical time period when one needs to gauge how they truly feel regarding relief/improvement of low-T symptoms and overall well-being.

Every protocol needs to be given a fighting chance as in 12 weeks to truly assess otherwise you will be chasing your tail endlessly!

If you never put in the time needed to truly gauge any changes made to your protocol then you are wasting your time.

Top it off that you never even had labs done for every protocol you tried so you have absolutely no clue where said protocol (dose T/injection frequency) had your trough TT and more importantly FT and estradiol.

Bad move as you are shooting in the dark here missing out on valuable information.

Throw in use of that UGL T can you verify the strength/potency?

Even then with all the protocols you have tried (doses T/injection frequency) highly doubtful you put the time in as in 12 weeks to truly gauge how you would have felt overall.

The body needs to be given time to ADAPT to its NEW SET-POINT this is critical!

Two of the biggest mistakes men make on therapy is getting caught up on that short-term temporary honeymoon period which leads to unrealistic expectations when it comes to libido and erectile function and tweaking their protocol to soon as in upping the dose of T way too early without giving the body. enough time as in 12 weeks to fully adapt and settle in!

These are the guys that end up on that never ending merry go round chasing their tales endlessly!

See it all the time on here.

Too many lack the understanding of how exogenous T works and unfortunately many are. caught up on that more T is better or needed mentality BULLS**T being spewed by all those clueless sheep polluting those so-called men's health/HRT forums!

 

[Cataceous]

Isn't the entire forum a bunch or random posters irregardless of post counts??

I've been reading these same studies for years. Guess what?? I still feel like shit taking under 400mg of testosterone. Is my body automatically supposed to behave like everybody in these peer reviewed studies just because I read them?? Once again.. real life experience makes me feel better that reading something.. wow.. its baffling why THIS FORUM Is so absolutely closed minded about a Bioidentical hormone. Yall treat it like its injecting cyanide

What you call a vacuous claim. I call my own person real life experience. Where I come from people that sit and read about something, and not experience something are absolutely clueless and shouldn't be giving advice.

It's fine if you do you, but at least acknowledge what an outlier you are. That 400 mg TC is six to seven times healthy natural production. Try that with some nice bioidentical insulin and you'd be dead in no time. With testosterone it will at least take longer. Meanwhile there's no evidence to recommend such foolishness to the average guy wanting to improve his health. If you think believing the braggadocio of a few steroid abusers qualifies as having "critical thinking skills" then you are a lost cause.

 

[JBM99]

He went MIA after the last exchange so I'm guessing we hit a soft spot with anhedonia.

Hey not really. No issues with anhedonia really, took the test, looked at symptoms online. I do have a more "stable" emotional feeling since getting on test, but I wouldn't call it anhedonia.

Just stopped replying because a war broke out in the comments.

 

[Willyt]

Hey not really. No issues with anhedonia really, took the test, looked at symptoms online. I do have a more "stable" emotional feeling since getting on test, but I wouldn't call it anhedonia.

Just stopped replying because a war broke out in the comments.

Considering how many TRT protocols you've tried, tweaking your protocol yet again is probably not the answer. Look elsewhere such as PT-141 as another poster suggested.

 

[JBM99]

Thanks, appreciate the feedback. Yes, I will look into PT-141 to try and rule out further things.

I forgot to mention something which might be relevant. Sometimes, after going out and drinking, after waking up if I'm slightly sleep deprived, I get spontaneous "erections", which is weird, because I never do unless under those circumstances.

Furthermore, while my penis is slightly showing signs of life, the erections itself are still quite bad. This is hard to explain but it feels like it wants to get super erect, but can't, like the blood in my penis is hitting a wall, so I have the feeling of wanting to get more erect, but physically something is stopping it, if I clench my butt cheeks hard enough it does get harder, almost as if I'm pushing the blood through to get more erect, but as soon as I stop clinching it goes back down to the "meh" state.

Not sure if this is relevant but thought I'd add that in.

 

[Vince]

Thanks, appreciate the feedback. Yes, I will look into PT-141 to try and rule out further things.

I forgot to mention something which might be relevant. Sometimes, after going out and drinking, after waking up if I'm slightly sleep deprived, I get spontaneous "erections", which is weird, because I never do unless under those circumstances.

Furthermore, while my penis is slightly showing signs of life, the erections itself are still quite bad. This is hard to explain but it feels like it wants to get super erect, but can't, like the blood in my penis is hitting a wall, so I have the feeling of wanting to get more erect, but physically something is stopping it, if I clench my butt cheeks hard enough it does get harder, almost as if I'm pushing the blood through to get more erect, but as soon as I stop clinching it goes back down to the "meh" state.

Not sure if this is relevant but thought I'd add that in.

You may want to try this to improve your libido.

T

Thread 'hmg/fsh along TRT/HCG for sex enhancement'

Monday at 7:56 PM

so after couple years on TRT+HCG, i got my hands on relatively cheap HMG/FSH from here:

https://cosmicpct.sx/shop/menodac-150-iu/

https://cosmicpct.sx/shop/lupi-fsh-150-iu/

I've been running those, at 3x week 150iu (entire vial 3x/week), rotating either FSH/HMG in no particular order.
the first 2-3 weeks i haven't noticed a whole lot, but by week 4 or so the effects got very noticeable. apologies if I get explicit here, but the orgasm length/quality improved like 300%. the difference is really big. i haven't really measured volume but I highly suspect and subjectively can say...

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[bigmikepryma]

Have you tried pt-141 and/or Cialis in combination? I know this doesn't exactly solve the root issue, but this would basically ensure you get and maintain an erection as well as actually enjoy sex.

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

Have you tried something to promote Nitric Oxide production like the recently introduced lozenges that do so?

I am a big fan of PT-141 and MT2, but I strongly recommend starting at a low dose such as 100-300 micrograms.