Gene's Nitric Oxide Stack

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tzod

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Just got in the Liquid Cia yesterday. Took 5mg at 2pm, within 2 hours experienced the same side effects of Cialis. Facial flush, stuff nose, slightly weird feeling Cialis gives. Took 5mg at bedtime. No obvious results yet as far as creating massive erection. Cialis 5mg never did much for me right away, nor did 10mg as a reliable erection helper. I was on amlodipine for 4 years for BP. Recently move to a new house and cooking at home every meal versus eating out every meal like my old place. After reading 4 hour body, I have been trying to remove any source of veg oil from my diet. Added regular POM juice several times daily, Cod Liver Oil Super D, zinc, mag, DHEA, potass. The past month, I stopped the 5mg amlodipine and started monitoring to see my baseline. 90% of resting states are below 120/80. ie 118/78 in bed last night and the same waking up. There are times it is lower, ie 108/68. My goal is to get a reliable erection, not really much for working out. Decent shape 6' 202lb very active 52yo, should be 190 or 185 if I really wanted my thinnest possible look. 10 years ED. One thing for many younger guys on here talking about ED is they don't mention porn and masturb habits, which can certainly have an effect on erection.

I started Genes stack minus the cia and other drug last Saturday. Noticed increased night time wood right away. However night time wood never really translates to usable erection in the real world for me. For example, a massive boner at 4 am does not mean massive boner at 8 am on demand if there were a real need for it. After starting the stack last Saturday, I am noticing my left eyelid fluttering or spasming regularly many times throughout the day. I may need to cut out 1 ingredient at a time to see what the culprit is, as this is a brand new thing.

A urologist did the injection test years back and I get pretty solid, but never proceeded to order the products. I see Gene talking about Trimix, so I assume he means injectable version. I had hoped to avoid that route but may have to bite the bullet if the stack does not produce consistent and reliable erection in a few weeks. The side effects of cia are too much a hassle, but I have never tried a daily routine to see if they would fade over time.

There is a good source of stuff in the watermellon rind(citri), and Whole Foods will juice the watermelon for you into a bottle including the rind, tastes great. I am trying this some this week. Beet juice is in most grocery stores as well as POM, all good for nitrates. I read that regular mouthwash did not kill the nitrate bacteria, only the pharma type mouthwashes? I have tried getting rid of mouthwash for 2 months, no obvious changes.

I give some feedback after a week of 5mg cia added to the other stuff.
 
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Wolverine

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Ive noticed less of an affect of my LiqCia after taking HGW. I know it is also suppose to lower blood pressure too but mine seems to be elevated. We are all diffreent and it may also be the TRT Im taking (as to ncreased TRT). Just had labs done and waiting on the results. I did find this though from Ray Sahelian MD specific to HGW:


Prescription drug and medication interactions, safety of combining with pharmaceuticals
Almost all herbs used for sexual enhancement have not been tested in combination with prescription medications. As a general rule, if your doctor approves, you can start with half of a capsule for a few days and gradually increase the dosage if no side effects are noticed. Each person has a different response to herbal supplements and it is not easy to predict what benefits and adverse reactions a person will experience when taking an herbal preparation or combining it with medications.Molecules. 2013. Herb-drug interaction of Epimedium sagittatum maxim extract on the pharmacokinetics of sildenafil in rats. HGW is one of the herbs used to treat erectile dysfunction in Traditional Chinese Medicine. Sildenafil is a phosphodiesterase 5 inhibitor used to treat erectile dysfunction in Western Medicine. This study evaluates the herbal-drug interaction of Epimedium sagittatum extract on the pharmacokinetics of sildenafil in rats by ultra-performance liquid chromatography. The rat plasma was sampled from each anesthetized rat after pretreatment with 3-days Epimedium sagittatum extract (1/2 g/kg/day) and intravenous injection with sildenafil (10/30 mg/kg). The pharmacokinetic data demonstrate that the area under the concentration-time curve (AUC) of sildenafil (10 mg/kg) was significantly decreased in groups that received a high dose of horny goat weed extract. In conclusion, the study demonstrates that there was significant herb-drug interaction of HGW on the pharmacokinetics of sildenafil at low and high daily doses, suggesting co-administration use of Epimedium sagittatum extract and sildenafil in clinical practice should be prevented due to possible herb-drug interactions.

I don't suggest the use of sex herbs in those who are on heart medications since these aphrodisiac herbs have a tendency to speed heart rate and some may raise blood pressure. If your doctor knows your condition well and feels comfortable having you start on a low dose, that could be appropriate.

 

tzod

New Member
I switched to these pills from the Arginine powder over a week ago.

Nitrulline from Vitamin Shoppe:
Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate - (A-Akg) 3000mg
L-CITRULLINE MALATE 1000mg
L-Taurine 500mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid 25mg
BIOPERINE - (BLACK PEPPER EXTRACT) 5mg

Daily Routine:
Liquid Cia afternoon and night 5mg
3 pills Nitrulline morning, noon, night total 9 pills daily
50mg pycnogenol morning, noon, night total 150 mg daily
150mg icarrin morning, noon, night total 450mg daily Vitamin Shoppe Horny Goat week especially for men


2 eggs with yoke for breakfast ( I heard the cholesterol was needed for testosterone)
POM daily, various amounts
Most days I take Carlson Super D Cod Liver Oil 2 teaspoons am, 2 at night

Results at 3 weeks in: rock hard on demand any time. Cialis was never reliable before. Over 10 years dealing with this issue, appears to be solved and confidence has gone from 0 to 100%

Thanks Gene!
 

Wolverine

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I switched to these pills from the Arginine powder over a week ago.

Nitrulline from Vitamin Shoppe:
Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate - (A-Akg) 3000mg
L-CITRULLINE MALATE 1000mg
L-Taurine 500mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid 25mg
BIOPERINE - (BLACK PEPPER EXTRACT) 5mg

Daily Routine:
Liquid Cia afternoon and night 5mg
3 pills Nitrulline morning, noon, night total 9 pills daily
50mg pycnogenol morning, noon, night total 150 mg daily
150mg icarrin morning, noon, night total 450mg daily Vitamin Shoppe Horny Goat week especially for men


2 eggs with yoke for breakfast ( I heard the cholesterol was needed for testosterone)
POM daily, various amounts
Most days I take Carlson Super D Cod Liver Oil 2 teaspoons am, 2 at night

Results at 3 weeks in: rock hard on demand any time. Cialis was never reliable before. Over 10 years dealing with this issue, appears to be solved and confidence has gone from 0 to 100%

Thanks Gene!

Same exact products I use and frequency, but I have replaced the HGW with Beet Root powder. Works good.
 
Does anyone know of Pmegranate pills/capsules and the POM juice...I find POM brand to be somewhat cost prohibitive...the active ingredients are the same, in other words...pills/capsules just as effective as the juice?
 

Gforce

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Does anyone know of Pmegranate pills/capsules and the POM juice...I find POM brand to be somewhat cost prohibitive...the active ingredients are the same, in other words...pills/capsules just as effective as the juice?



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I've also been wondering if taking beet root/pomegranate in capsule form is as effective as beet root powder due to pills having very limited exposure to the bacteria in the mouth. Obviously saliva is swallowed, but not sure if there is a material difference in the interaction between bacteria & beet root in the mouth vs. in the stomach.
 
I was offered a sample size of any product from BulkSupplements and chose their Pomegranate Extract. Ive used the Beet Root powder and found it utterly undrinkable. for me.
 

Re-Ride

Member
Does anyone know of Pomegranate pills/capsules and the POM juice...I find POM brand to be somewhat cost prohibitive...the active ingredients are the same, in other words...pills/capsules just as effective as the juice?

No studies that I'm aware of. Seems unlikely though, firstly because pills are generally cut with crap, secondly because naturally occurring plant substances typically degrade from heat, moisture and oxidation during processing. It really depends upon which of the many compounds in the fruit are providing the various benefits attributed to the fruit.

Of the juices Langers ( 100% fresh pressed version only) seems clearly superior to POM from concentrate as I reported here in an unscientific comparison:
https://www.excelmale.com/forum/sho...s-prostate-cancer-cells&highlight=pomegranate

If the Langers isn't available a low temperature processed liquid PFE would seem the next best alternative. A review of one of the published studies might lead to a reliable source. The "fresh pressed" Langers must be flash pasteurized at bottling making any perceived advantage over the juices derived from concentrate subjective. In the absence of data I tend to trust my taste buds.
 

Re-Ride

Member
A study by researchers at UC might shed some light on what's inside commercially available "pomegranate" capsules:
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com...stions-pomegranate-supplement-standardization

27 supplements were tested by HPLC for typical pomegranate tannin profile. 17 had minor or no detectable pomegranate tannins but had some eliagic acid. Five (5) had neither the tannins nor the eliagic acid!

This demonstrates how "standardized" pills, powders and extracts can be doctored, if the manufacturer bothers at all, with a single substance, in this case eliagic acid, quite likely from a foreign source, to make the product seem genuine.

Therefore, a relative pure compound such as Arginine is likely a safer bet to purchase in supplement form than what is alleged to be a complex extract such as PFE.
 

Gforce

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Gene,

I'm interested in the Nitric Oxide stack where do i get the ingredients ?

Patrick

I think Webvitamins.com has the best price on these two specific items. Free shipping too.

Pycnogenol & Grapeseed Extract 50mg 120 Tablets
&
L-Citrulline 1200 mg Extra Strength 120 Tablets

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Re-Ride

Member
I think Webvitamins.com has the best price on these two specific items. Free shipping too.

Pycnogenol & Grapeseed Extract 50mg 120 Tablets
&
L-Citrulline 1200 mg Extra Strength 120 Tablets

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You'd think if ingredient used was Pycogenol brand they would identity it that way on the pkg. There is no photo only a summary on that page. Does your bottle included any assurance that only 100% Pycogenol brand is used? If so what strength?

Sloan Kettering feels that the French maritime bark extract has identical potency.

https://www.excelmale.com/forum/sho...some-thought-I-d-pass-it-on&p=33957#post33957
 
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pureblood

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I'm wondering if this stack can be just as good without useing 1 mg of Doxazosin? After reading some of the side effects I'm a little unsure of using it, especially without a prescription. Everything else looks great, I'm hoping to try it...Thanks
 

roadglide

Member
I'm wondering if this stack can be just as good without useing 1 mg of Doxazosin? After reading some of the side effects I'm a little unsure of using it, especially without a prescription. Everything else looks great, I'm hoping to try it...Thanks


I got some Indian Doxazosin and definitely felt the side effects. Very uncomfortable and no way I was going to make it to the gym. I might try it again just to make sure it wasn't something else that day. Stack still works great without it. It's not set in stone and can be modified.
 

Gforce

New Member
It has the trademark for Pycogenol on the back label. However, I originally missed that 2 tablets are needed for 50mg dose, not 1 like it assumed. Not such a great deal after all.
 
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