Daily injections-what is the average dose of people that inject daily?

[Willyt]

For guys that do very small daily doses, do you consider the amount wasted in the needle? I’m currently taking a break and have been on Natesto for a little over a week. Not sure if I’m gonna stick with it or go back to a smaller, daily dose than I was on before. If I were to do 6 to 8 mg, the amount of actual testosterone will be less than that plus wastage.

I know there is some information on wastage and insulin needles around here somewhere. I’ll go ahead and look it up, but just wondering if any of you guys microdosing take this into consideration when calculating how much you are actually injecting?

No I don't worry about it. The leftover amount (if any) is tiny in the BD syringes that I use.

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Like many on here, I started with harpoon needles from my general physician and then graduated (mercifully) to 29 gauge x 1/2 fixed insulin needles for shallow IM thanks to the advice of this forum. A year ago I moved on to low dose daily SUBQ and began using 31 gauge x 5/16. For insulin...

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Some say not to squeeze the plunger when finishing injection because it creates suction on the injection site. I do generally try to avoid that and as a result, there is sometimes a drop left over, but its nothing in the scheme of things.

I'm on 7mg Cyp/Prop blend these days using Cat's 4:3 ratio (Cyp 4mg / Prop 3mg)

 

[Fortunate]

Anyone who has posted here, how do your labs look? I’ve heard anecdotes of 10MG daily putting guys into the top of the physiologic range.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Anyone who has posted here, how do your labs look? I’ve heard anecdotes of 10MG daily putting guys into the top of the physiologic range.

Yep. All the way to the top at trough free T. Too high for me.

 

[Willyt]

Anyone who has posted here, how do your labs look? I’ve heard anecdotes of 10MG daily putting guys into the top of the physiologic range.

8mg Prop put me at TT 1200 at peak (4 hours post-injection). Not apples-to-apples because its faster acting Prop with its higher peaks, but still impressive nonetheless.

I look forward to getting tested on current 4:3 blend ratio (7mg per day).

 

[Fortunate]

8mg Prop put me at TT 1200 at peak (4 hours post-injection). Not apples-to-apples because its faster acting Prop with its higher peaks, but still impressive nonetheless.

I look forward to getting tested on current 4:3 blend ratio (7mg per day).

Wow. That's high. How did you feel on this? Over the top?

 

[Willyt]

Wow. That's high. How did you feel on this? Over the top?

I used straight prop for a good chunk of time. The main attraction for me was the reduced water retention. But the ride is too harsh in my opinion because of the big daily swing from peak to trough.

Great energy, but yes felt over the top. Like having couple shots of expresso. Mind was too jittery.

The Prop/Enan blend on the other hand, keeps that Prop peak at a more reasonable level.

 

[Jerajera]

I used straight prop for a good chunk of time. The main attraction for me was the reduced water retention. But the ride is too harsh in my opinion because of the big daily swing from peak to trough.

Great energy, but yes felt over the top. Like having couple shots of expresso. Mind was too jittery.

The Prop/Enan blend on the other hand, keeps that Prop peak at a more reasonable level.

Have you ever tried Prop subQ?

I had the same experience you did with Prop. Felt much better than on daily Cypionate, but I was too wired. I was doing IM though and still want to give Prop subQ a shot, thinking the slower release might lead to slightly less daily variations and perhaps be close to the sweet spot

 

[GreenMachineX]

Have you ever tried Prop subQ?

I had the same experience you did with Prop. Felt much better than on daily Cypionate, but I was too wired. I was doing IM though and still want to give Prop subQ a shot, thinking the slower release might lead to slightly less daily variations and perhaps be close to the sweet spot

What didn't you like about daily cyp?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Have you ever tried Prop subQ?

I had the same experience you did with Prop. Felt much better than on daily Cypionate, but I was too wired. I was doing IM though and still want to give Prop subQ a shot, thinking the slower release might lead to slightly less daily variations and perhaps be close to the sweet spot

Coming at this from the cyp side, I wonder if this is why so many people say they feel better with IM than subq, because it increases variation. I'm sure the effect is modest compared to switching to propionate but it does move you a bit in that direction.

 

[Willyt]

Have you ever tried Prop subQ?

I had the same experience you did with Prop. Felt much better than on daily Cypionate, but I was too wired. I was doing IM though and still want to give Prop subQ a shot, thinking the slower release might lead to slightly less daily variations and perhaps be close to the sweet spot

Interesting you ask this. There are many debates on there about TT and E2 levels on subq versus IM, but I most definitely felt a stronger and faster peak on daily Prop-only (8-10mg) when doing shallow IM.

I can still feel difference even on blend of Prop/Enan despite fact that my Prop amount is much smaller (only 2-3mg). For this reason, I am taking same approach that you mentioned - i.e., use subq to slow down the prop peak. I prefer subq at this point for the smoother ride on the blend (not to mention I find it much more convenient for dailies).

Experiment with the subq for Prop-only and let us know what you think. If you're looking for good subq insulin syringe, I can highly recommend these 5/16 ones.

 

[jacb]

I did inject 20 mg for 5 months. Felt good. Lowered it to 16 mg one month before my latest labs. Feel good at 16 mg. Didn't lose any muscle mass at that level. Felt good mentally. So I really don't know if 16 good, 18 good or 20s good. So right now I'm keeping it in the middle 18 mg daily.

Vince you are lucky not to have hematocrit as a limiting factor.

 

[DaytonaJonah]

5mg. enanthate + 3.75mg propionate for total of 8.75mg daily(61.25mg weekly). Been doing this for about 4 weeks now with hCG 115iu eod(it's all I can tolerate), 10mg. Cialis daily and I'm actually feeling really pretty good!

Consistent morning wood every day along with decent libido, not great yet, but much improved from any other protocol I've tried over the last 2 years. Good concentration, mental clarity, good strength in the gym, and I'm not exhausted by the end of the day.

I'll stick with this for the foreseeable future and see if it maintains with looking for some continued libido improvement into the "great" category. First time in my TRT journey I've felt quite hopeful.

Will wait another month or so to do some labs.

 

[Willyt]

5mg. enanthate + 3.75mg propionate for total of 8.75mg daily(61.25mg weekly). Been doing this for about 4 weeks now with hCG 115iu eod(it's all I can tolerate), 10mg. Cialis daily and I'm actually feeling really pretty good!

Consistent morning wood every day along with decent libido, not great yet, but much improved from any other protocol I've tried over the last 2 years. Good concentration, mental clarity, good strength in the gym, and I'm not exhausted by the end of the day.

I'll stick with this for the foreseeable future and see if it maintains with looking for some continued libido improvement into the "great" category. First time in my TRT journey I've felt quite hopeful.

Will wait another month or so to do some labs.

That's fantastic! Can you expand upon your HCG experience at 115iu EOD? Also, what is Cialis daily dose?

 

[Vince]

Vince you are lucky not to have hematocrit as a limiting factor.

I feel very fortunate not to have to worry about HCT. Hopefully it stays that way. It's been over 5 years now since I had to donate blood. Going from every 8 weeks to never donating.

 

[Jerajera]

Interesting you ask this. There are many debates on there about TT and E2 levels on subq versus IM, but I most definitely felt a stronger and faster peak on daily Prop-only (8-10mg) when doing shallow IM.

I can still feel difference even on blend of Prop/Enan despite fact that my Prop amount is much smaller (only 2-3mg). For this reason, I am taking same approach that you mentioned - i.e., use subq to slow down the prop peak. I prefer subq at this point for the smoother ride on the blend (not to mention I find it much more convenient for dailies).

Experiment with the subq for Prop-only and let us know what you think. If you're looking for good subq insulin syringe, I can highly recommend these 5/16 ones.

Thank you for the link to the syringes. I've been using Easy Touch 31G 5/16'' 0.3cc for 2 years as well, I'm excited to try these ones.

I'm experimenting with the compounded cream right now, but I definitely want to give pure Prop subQ a shot in the future and I'll post my results

 

[Jerajera]

What didn't you like about daily cyp?

I started feeling very flat and anhedonic, no interest or excitement for anything. I used to dream and think a lot, get excited about new ideas and things to do; after a while on daily Cyp I felt like a zombie, but a zombie in a good mood. My depression and suicidal thoughts completely went away, but so did everything else.

Personally I believe it's due to HPTA shutdown. My DHEA-S dropped by 60% after I got on TRT, 200 to 80, confirmed on many blood tests.
Anecdotally on daily Prop and now daily compounded cream, my DHEA-S comes back to 90% of my pre-TRT levels, which can't be a coincidence.

I think shorter esters creating more variation in Test levels and allowing your levels to come down, lead to less suppression of the HPTA. I completely disagree with the idea that HPTA shutdown is binary (100% online or offline).

Think about it this way. Take the extreme of using TNE (Test no ester) which has a half-life of 2-4 hours and is in and out of your system in a matter of hours. Do you think injecting that daily will 100% suppress your HPTA? No chance.

In terms of HPTA suppression I don't think you can do much worse than a longer ester injected daily, where you're at the top of the range 24/7 with less than 5% variation in levels.

 

[Willyt]

I think shorter esters creating more variation in Test levels and allowing your levels to come down, lead to less suppression of the HPTA. I completely disagree with the idea that HPTA shutdown is binary (100% online or offline).

After having tried straight Prop for one year, I would agree to a point. I definitely felt less emotionally flat on Prop perhaps because of those overnight troughs.

However, it does seem to be a function of dose as well. If I increase the dose into what feels like supra-physiological territory, the flatness comes back quickly. Same experience with the prop-enan bend.

That is interesting on the DHEA...

 

[DaytonaJonah]

That's fantastic! Can you expand upon your HCG experience at 115iu EOD? Also, what is Cialis daily dose?

My hCG journey in the past hasn't been a good one. I don't tolerate it very well as some men find out. However, that said, I have found that by titrating up every few weeks or so, my body has adjusted to the ever-so-slight added amount, that I am now up to 11.5 units on my syringe/110iu eod. My goal is to be able to handle 500iu per week and then on up gently thereafter to 1000iu.

When I first started, I couldn't even do 25iu without having a great amount of anxiety/panic show up. I've started and stopped maybe 4-5 times. Yet, this time I started with 10iu and gradually added 10iu every several weeks or so until I am where I am now.

Daily Cialis is just a 20mg tablet cut in half that I take every day(10mg.) to keep my unit always ready to go. I've done that now for about 18 months straight with only taking time off for the 5 or so days every month of my wife's cycle to help clear my system. Works great. When I first started Cialis, I had the usual sides of leg and lower back cramps, but gutted it out and after about 10-14 days, those sides all went away.

 

[Willyt]

My hCG journey in the past hasn't been a good one. I don't tolerate it very well as some men find out. However, that said, I have found that by titrating up every few weeks or so, my body has adjusted to the ever-so-slight added amount, that I am now up to 11.5 units on my syringe/110iu eod. My goal is to be able to handle 500iu per week and then on up gently thereafter to 1000iu.

When I first started, I couldn't even do 25iu without having a great amount of anxiety/panic show up. I've started and stopped maybe 4-5 times. Yet, this time I started with 10iu and gradually added 10iu every several weeks or so until I am where I am now.

Daily Cialis is just a 20mg tablet cut in half that I take every day(10mg.) to keep my unit always ready to go. I've done that now for about 18 months straight with only taking time off for the 5 or so days every month of my wife's cycle to help clear my system. Works great. When I first started Cialis, I had the usual sides of leg and lower back cramps, but gutted it out and after about 10-14 days, those sides all went away.

Why bother with HCG if you are doing well on low dose?

Do you feel any non-sexual benefits to daily Cialis? After having experimented with microdosing Tadalafil, I am beginning to think there may be something to the purported ancillary benefits. 10mg a pretty sizeable dose for daily which is normally 2.5mg. Any reason why you choose the 10?

 

[SSHSSA74]

8mg Prop put me at TT 1200 at peak (4 hours post-injection). Not apples-to-apples because its faster acting Prop with its higher peaks, but still impressive nonetheless.

I look forward to getting tested on current 4:3 blend ratio (7mg per day).

how do you feel?