High hematocrit

kaipo

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Hello, I just got my lab report and my hematocrit is at 52.3%. Any recommendations on how to lower it? I donate blood every 8 weeks. My testosterone dose is 1/2 cc a week. I’m also prescribed ferrous sulfate. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I’m also wondering if not drinking a lot of water prior would have helped.
Thank you for your thoughts
 
Your hematocrit I wouldn't consider it too high. The main thing is stay well hydrated, like you said drink water. Don't smoke and if you have sleep Apnea take care of it.
 
1.) I agree with Vince that <53% probably isn’t too concerning if all other measurables are at a good place

2.) if you donate every 8 weeks your body is in a constant state of “omg we need more blood!” And responds accordingly
 
Hello, I just got my lab report and my hematocrit is at 52.3%. Any recommendations on how to lower it? I donate blood every 8 weeks. My testosterone dose is 1/2 cc a week. I’m also prescribed ferrous sulfate. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I’m also wondering if not drinking a lot of water prior would have helped.
Thank you for your thoughts

How long have you been on therapy and where did your baseline hematocrit sit before jumping on T?

As long as one has no underlying health conditions (OSA, COPD, smoker) which could predispose to or exacerbate the rise in hematocrit making it harder to control let alone is not experiencing any negative effects most in the know specializing in testosterone therapy would not fret if the patient's hematocrit falls within 50-54%.

Yes some will be more cautious and take measures once hematocrit hits 52%.

Some endos are sticklers and hesitate once your hematocrit gets over the top end and prefer to keep patients levels no higher than 50%.

If you are dehydrated then your results would be skewed.

Need to make sure your are always getting enough fluids/electrolytes throughout the week not just the day of donating.

Your dose 100 mg T once weekly means nothing without knowing where your trough TT and more importantly FT sits.

Even though 100 mg T/week is well below an absurd weekly dose keep in mind many men can still achieve stellar FT levels on such.

Driving up your FT is going to drive up the hematocrit.

For the majority running to high a trough/steady-state FT is the main culprit here when it comes to elevated hematocrit when using exogenous T.

When injecting once weekly there will be a big difference in the peak--->trough.

Your peak is going to be a lot higher than your nadir levels especially if injecting strictly IM.

The weekly high supra-physiological peaks will have an impact on spiking hematocrit as your FT post-injection (within 24 hrs) and during the first few days will be very high/high depending on the dose of T.

Some men fare better splitting the weekly dose and injecting more frequently which would clip the peak--->trough and result in more stable blood levels throughout the week.

Need to tread lightly on getting caught up on that donating too frequently merry go round which can easily backfire and crash your iron/ferritin which can open up another can of worms.

Have no clue if your doctor is already addressing low ferritin/iron due to donating too frequently or making sure you do not run into any issues long-term.

Need to keep an eye on your ferritin/iron.

If you feel well overall and are not experiencing any sides and your BP/fluid retention is in check then I would not be too concerned.

First year of being on T-therapy is critical here!




Professor Michael Zitzmann

We also know hematocrit can be increased by testosterone preparations. It depends on the preparation, and we think that there is data that shows that the threshold of 52-54% should not be surpassed, and men should be controlled for the hematocrit especially in the first year of treatment every 3 months



Hematocrit & Thromboembolic Risk

* TTh increase Hematocrit -
clinically relevant at >52-54%

* Recommended: Control Hematocrit every 3 months in the 1st year










* The Endocrine Society uses a hematocrit threshold of >50% as a relative contraindication to initiating TT and >54% as an indication to discontinue treatment [1]. The European Association of Urology (EAU) guidelines on hypogonadism also state that the hematocrit should not exceed 54%, while recent Canadian guidelines cite 55% as the safe upper limit [15, 40]. The AUA guidelines on testosterone deficiency define polycythemia as a hematocrit of 52% and recommend stopping or reducing treatment if the hematocrit reaches 54% [14]
 
Hello, I just got my lab report and my hematocrit is at 52.3%. Any recommendations on how to lower it? I donate blood every 8 weeks. My testosterone dose is 1/2 cc a week. I’m also prescribed ferrous sulfate. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I’m also wondering if not drinking a lot of water prior would have helped.
Thank you for your thoughts
The common cut off is at 54% for HCT, but many docs use 50% since it is felt safer to have some cushion and Endocrine Society guidelines indicate such.
There is some uncertainty since most of the data supporting the 54% cut off comes from patients with Polycythemia Vera, a myeloproliferative disorder that is a more serious problem akin to a type of leukemia. That disease may have other factors that predispose to hyperviscosity and clotting. Nevertheless, it is the data we have and no one knows for certain how different it may be in the setting of TRT.

If maximum frequency blood donations are not controlling the HCT, the safest thing is to stop therapy at least for a time. That has obvious problems however.

Changing from injectable Testosterone to transdermal gel is likely to get around the problem, as has been shown. Thay may be your best bet.

I'm not sure how strong the data is, but there is a suggestion that the spikes (peaks and troughs) of testosterone when given once weekly may be a driver, and more frequent injections may help mitigate the problem. This is also true of other side effects like acne or estrogenic effects.

Ferrous sulfate is iron usually given for anemia - the opposite of a high hematocrit. Iron would typically slowy raise your hematocrit if you are iron deficient. Are you on that because of the frequent blood donations? Do you have iron studies (labs) documenting iron deficiency?
 
Hello, I just got my lab report and my hematocrit is at 52.3%. Any recommendations on how to lower it? I donate blood every 8 weeks. My testosterone dose is 1/2 cc a week. I’m also prescribed ferrous sulfate. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I’m also wondering if not drinking a lot of water prior would have helped.
Thank you for your thoughts

Not sure what you're looking for. Your doctor had previously prescribed the obvious solution: lowering your dose to a more physiological level. It sounds like you felt some withdrawal symptoms and gave up too quickly. Apparently you also donate blood without telling your doctor. I think you are a casualty of more-is-better thinking. I had to learn the hard way myself, eventually realizing that exceeding what's natural for one's physiology can cause various problems. Others might glibly dismiss the risks in your mildly elevated hematocrit. But all that can really be said is that the acute risks are not significant. The real concern is the long-term wear-and-tear on the vascular caused by unnecessarily elevated blood viscosity—particularly in more susceptible individuals.

Escape the more-is-better thinking. If your goal is good health then reduce your dose to physiological levels—but this time expect some prolonged withdrawal symptoms. If you cannot eventually find a dosing pattern with testosterone cypionate that simultaneously resolves hypogonadism and normalizes HCT then experiment with shorter acting forms of testosterone. Daily injections of a cypionate/propionate blend are viable, but sadly there's no pharma-grade product that contains enough propionate. The most convenient—though maybe pricey—alternative is oral testosterone. From a purist's standpoint, testosterone nasal gel is even better because it can resolve hypogonadism while allowing your HPTA to continue to function.
 
Another factor is variation for unknown causes. My HCT was in the 40's for years, and then jumped into the low 50's for no reason I could firmly identify, and then it eventually dropped back down into the 40's, again for no obvious reason (although better pre-test hydration may have played a role.) While I agree that a lower dose may be better if nothing else changes at the lower dose, there may be other factors at play that we are unaware of.
 

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