What else to use for PCT?

[Johnny08910]

I took both clomid and enclomid and I could not tolerate them due to their visual side effects. What else can I take for PCT?

 

[Systemlord]

I took both clomid and enclomid and I could not tolerate them due to their visual side effects. What else can I take for PCT?

Tamoxifen and hCG.

 

[Johnny08910]

Tamoxifen and hCG.

Isn't tamoxifen structurally close to clomid so it will have the same effects. hCG is also suppressive in nature right?

 

[tareload]

I took both clomid and enclomid and I could not tolerate them due to their visual side effects. What else can I take for PCT?

No relevant details in your case. What are you recovering from? History?

How long would it take you to search "PCT" and "HPTA" on here given the embarassment of riches on this site?

Alternative PCT? Short term use of AI and most importantly Time. Or just Time.

Example:

When does natural production return when stopping TRT? - Excel Male TRT Forum

Does natural production come back when stopping TRT? I’m 49 and have been on TRT for 3.5 years because I had severe depression and my Test levels were 150 tested 2 different times. I also had untreated sleep apnea at the time and was drinking a lot. I didn’t take any supplements at the time...

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You should understand how the HPTA works before you ever play with androgens IMO.

Chapter 12 - Hypothalamo-Pituitary Unit, Testis, and Male Accessory Organs - Excel Male TRT Forum

Read this chapter. Chapter 12 - Hypothalamo-Pituitary Unit, Testis, and Male Accessory Organs https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780323479127000123?via%3Dihub From https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780323479127/yen-and-jaffes-reproductive-endocrinology

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I see this was already shared with you...

Post in thread 'HCG monotherapy at 1000 IU 3x a week. Do I need PCT' HCG monotherapy at 1000 IU 3x a week. Do I need PCT

 

[Systemlord]

What are you recovering from?

A 2 month long protocol of hCG 1000IU 3x weekly. His doctor told him he doesn’t need a PCT. You and I both told him he doesn’t need a PCT, yet here we are.

@Johnny08910 is making this so much harder than it needs to be.

 

[Johnny08910]

A 2 month long protocol of hCG 1000IU 3x weekly. His doctor told him he doesn’t need a PCT. You and I both told him he doesn’t need a PCT, yet here we are.

@Johnny08910 is making this so much harder than it needs to be.

I am not asking about hcg pct, rather TRT. The hcg mono is not working so I might try out trt with my doctor. My only problem is that both tamoxifen and clomid are known to have visual side effects so I'm not sure what to take for pct, when and if I stop trt. You mention time, but it will not be an easy time with no pct correct?

 

[Systemlord]

You mention time, but it will not be an easy time with no pct correct?

I stopped TRT after almost 3 years in 2019 and only took 4.5 weeks to return to baseline. I had my diabetes still not under control suppressing my HPTA.

I don’t ever plan on coming off TRT.