What Do You Think Of My Protocol?

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J.James.A

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Sorry I haven't updated you all (not sure if you really care anyways :D) but after almost pulling the trigger on going with Defy I ended up finding a Dr. through a cousin of mine that used the T+HCG+Arim protocol. He is also letting me self inject, good thing because his office it 120 miles away.

I've been on for 4 weeks now, feeling stronger! That's for sure. Have the energy to workout finally, still sluggish going in but when I get in the zone I feel great. My libido is also strong lol, I have always had a healthy sex drive, even at my lowest I would still want sex or sexual favors probably at least twice a week. Now I want it everyday :cool:

Mentally I am less foggy, less irritable but my anxiety and stress are still high. I was like this way before the T therapy so if anything I was hoping it would help with it. I been suffering from GAD for a few years but up till late last year, which was a super stressful time I'm pretty sure it pushed me to hypochondria level :mad:. I had stuff go down with work (crappy economy, mechanic breakdowns) worst ibs flareup to date, I think was the effect of the stress at the time, then my son had a rare infection happen that had us going to a specialist then earlier this year (turned out he was ok, rare but it does happen) then my ibs/stomach issue came back up. Dr. had me go to a specialist and then he suggested a upper gi scope to which I agreed (came back good) but all this back to back from last fall till almost today, you could see why my already anxious self just finally made the jump to hypochondria. Everything besides the work stuff in my mind was the big C smh. Annnnnnyyywaaaay, back to the subject. I wanted to see what you all thought about my protocol.

1.5cc split into 2 shots a week (wed & sun)
1/2cc HCG twice a week (wed & sun)
1mg pill 2Xweek anastrozole also wed &sun

Like I said I feel stronger, moved up on weight beginning of this week. I'm not as sore as I used to be when I used to workout. My irritated spells are less, hell I don't snap as easily as I use to. Sex drive is great, might be working the wife overtime tho haha but I haven't felt the great sleep just yet. Still have bought of rolling around although not as much. I still get the tired day times, sluggish to get to the gym, anxiety still a bastard and of course my stress levels suck due to $ and economy things.

I know T will not fix everything or change my life from night to day but do you think I'm on the right course?

I have lost weight, a bunch had to do with the stress and anxiety of this stressful past few months but now the rest has been pure sweat from turning into the beast in the gym lmao.

I am also hypothyroid (hashis) so soon I am going to get my levels checked to see where I am at. Anxiety is common when levels are off, I've been through that a couple of times already.
 
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bako

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That seems like a pretty big dose of AI. I take .25mg twice a week. Maybe some more experienced guys will have more Info. You said you weren't sure if anyone else cared. I assure you there are people like me that want to hear about everyone's protocol and hear the suggestions for same. . Without Labs it's hard to say if you are on the right track. We are all different..best of luck.
 

J.James.A

New Member
I'm at work fellas, as soon as I get a chance I'll head to the house and take a better look. I'm doing what I was told to do. told me to take 1/2cc of hcg 2 times week and 1.5cc split in 2 but again as soon as I get to the house I'll see the ratio on the bottles and post it.
 

Vince

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It sounds like your protocol is working for you, I'm sure having Hashimotos does not help. I'm not a fan of an AI, so hopefully you taper off.
 

J.James.A

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When they first found my low T I was somewhere around 340-350 but my E showed higher than normal something about a percentage ratio was off and that's why my emotions where out of whack and I gained weight around my belly and chest. That's there I am gain my weight at too. Those damn bastard man boobs and love handles :mad: .
 

J.James.A

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Okay fellas, sorry about the lagging in getting the answers to your questions about my dosages.
I'm on 1.5ccs or 1.5ml? Split in 2, so .75 on Wed and .75 on Sun (Test Cypionate 2,000mg/10ml)
1/2 cc of HCG (HGC Fortified B12A-500mcg/ml) also Wed and Sun
1mg pill 2Xweek anastrozole also wed &sun


He wants me to go 5 weeks on 1 week off but keep taking the HCG and Anstro continuous

Thought it was much easier about the dosage til you guys asked me the ratios lol now I'm all confused.
 
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CoastWatcher

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Okay fellas, sorry about the lagging in getting the answers to your questions about my dosages.
I'm on 1.5ccs or 1.5ml? Split in 2, so .75 on Wed and .75 on Sun (Test Cypionate 2,000mg/10ml)
1/2 cc of HCG (HGC Fortified B12A-500mcg/ml) also Wed and Sun
1mg pill 2Xweek anastrozole also wed &sun

Read more at: https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?6854-What-Do-You-Think-Of-My-Protocol
1mg pill 2Xweek anastrozole also wed &sun

T he wants me to go 5 weeks on 1 week off but keep taking the HCG and Anstro continuous

Thought it was much easier about the dosage til you guys asked me the ratios lol now I'm all confused.

Do I understand that you're coming off testosterone one week out of every six? If so, that makes no sense at all. It's TRT, testosterone replacement therapy; you're providing your body with a needed hormone you aren't producing. Why in the world would you deprive your system of needed medication?? That's unheard of.
 

J.James.A

New Member
Do I understand that you're coming off testosterone one week out of every six? If so, that makes no sense at all. It's TRT, testosterone replacement therapy; you're providing your body with a needed hormone you aren't producing. Why in the world would you deprive your system of needed medication?? That's unheard of.

Isn't that what they call cycling? 5 weeks on 1 week off rinse and repeat.
 

J.James.A

New Member
OK, why did your doctor tell you to do this? That's a big red flag as to their knowledge of androgen replacement. What was explained?

He didn't explain and I didn't ask. I was more happy and excited that I found a Dr that had a T+hcg+inhib protocol. Every one I have found up to him only wanted to do T. One wanted a 2 week injection plan. T only. One wanted me to be on dim pills for the E conversion and the others didn't know anything but and an hcg diet.

Even if I wanted to go the Defy way my insurance pays for my T (well I pay $10 for it) and anastrozole. Only thing I pay full price if the hcg because it's a compound.

Don't know how I would go about switching or getting my insurance to okay Drs from Florida persciptions.
 

ERO

Member
No doc that understands TRT would ever have you 'cycle' 5 weeks on and one week off. That literally makes no sense as it is Testosterone Replacement Therapy - which implies replacing it all the time, not just for 5 weeks and then take a break.

If he lets you do your own injections you may be able to just stick to twice a week and skip the week off. It won't do you any favors, trust all of us that are telling you this.
 

J.James.A

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No doc that understands TRT would ever have you 'cycle' 5 weeks on and one week off. That literally makes no sense as it is Testosterone Replacement Therapy - which implies replacing it all the time, not just for 5 weeks and then take a break.

If he lets you do your own injections you may be able to just stick to twice a week and skip the week off. It won't do you any favors, trust all of us that are telling you this.

Think I will keep going without the week off. What do you think of the dosages of the hcg and anastrozole?
 

ERO

Member
Agree with CoastWatcher - Anastrozole is powerful and 2 mgs per week doesn't sound like much, but it is a relatively huge dose for TRT. Many of use use no AI at all, or very small doses like 0.25 mg or 0.15 mg twice a week. It should only be prescribed AFTER your E2 is tested using the sensitive assay and is shown to be high, but a lot of Docs just give everybody the same cookie-cutter TRT protocol and don't bother to test first. That, of course, is a red flag.
 

J.James.A

New Member
That is a lot of Anastrozole per week. What are your estradiol readings that resulted in that dose?

Agree with CoastWatcher - Anastrozole is powerful and 2 mgs per week doesn't sound like much, but it is a relatively huge dose for TRT. Many of use use no AI at all, or very small doses like 0.25 mg or 0.15 mg twice a week. It should only be prescribed AFTER your E2 is tested using the sensitive assay and is shown to be high, but a lot of Docs just give everybody the same cookie-cutter TRT protocol and don't bother to test first. That, of course, is a red flag.

Back when my thyroid Dr found my low T the E reading were 27.8 (7.6-42.6) my T was 344. She said where my T is my E shouldn't be that high. That my body is converting too much E from the T I have. That's why I gain weight around my abdomen and chest and why my mood was way off.This was back in July of last year. She was the one that wanted me to take DIM pills and didn't know about hcg with T. She had only used HCG for diet purposes.

A couple months later my Dr checked my T but only T and I was at 287. He wasn't sure about the T+HCG_Anhib protocol, he was also against me contacting Defy. I think he was just unsure about not being able to be seen. He was the first to let me know he thought I might have low T because we got my thyroid levels up to par and I was still struggling with energy and mood swings.
 
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