xorton
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Hi. I'd like to share my experience and thoughts on some topics - years of being on TRT and reading about it. I find the following beliefs wrong and repeated over the years without much thought. Perhaps not here but at least on typical bodybuilding forums.
1) Freezing reconstituted HCG damages it
Let me preface this by telling you I'm very vulnerable to the lack of HCG. About 2 weeks of just T and I have discomfort in my balls already (tested multiple times). I believe I can also feel HCG working worse if left for like 10 hours in room temperature although I'm not 100% certain of that - too few tests.
I decided to test freezing my syringes after lowering my HCG dose to the one that makes 5000 IU last me for 2 months (since in such a long time reconstituted HCG could potentially be damaged even in a refrigerator) and after finding a good opinion on it by some doctor working in a lab. I feel absolutely no negative difference and possibly even a positive one (especially from these last syringes that would otherwise be in the refrigerator for nearly 2 months). It's also more practical since frozen syringes can probably last forever (?) and less visible. Oh, it only takes them a few minutes to defrost in room temperature. I've been doing this for years now.
2) Mixing HCG and T in one syringe is bad.
I've been doing it from the beginning of my journey, learnt from a video by Nelson Vergel himself iirc so I don't think this is controversial here.
3) Undecanoate is bad because <insert some weird reason>
The most common argument against it goes like this - "If you inject every 10 weeks, your levels will be low / not stable etc". But why would you do it so rarely (assuming the results are bad) it makes absolutely no sense to me how it's prescribed in the US. Don't blame the compound itself.
I think the biggest advantage of Undecanoate is that if you inject i.e. every 10 days, your levels will be more stable than Enanthate injections every 3 days which I assume you guys have noticed as well to give noticeable testosterone fluctuations. Which means 3 times fewer injections. Or you could inject it just every 2 weeks and have relatively stable levels whereas on Enanthate you start feeling worse after a week aready. Both my experience and the theory confirm it:
Of course this is only some model / approximation but I've found it to correlate with reality well.
Enanthate - 23.29 to 15.86 which is 46% difference in 3 days but mostly after the injection
Undecanoate - 18.81 to 13.73 which is 36% difference in 10 days, far more spread out and you don't feel the rush / surge from my experience.
Obviously Undecanoate takes a lot of time to ramp up / leave your system so it's for experienced guys that are on T constantly.
End of the rant.
1) Freezing reconstituted HCG damages it
Let me preface this by telling you I'm very vulnerable to the lack of HCG. About 2 weeks of just T and I have discomfort in my balls already (tested multiple times). I believe I can also feel HCG working worse if left for like 10 hours in room temperature although I'm not 100% certain of that - too few tests.
I decided to test freezing my syringes after lowering my HCG dose to the one that makes 5000 IU last me for 2 months (since in such a long time reconstituted HCG could potentially be damaged even in a refrigerator) and after finding a good opinion on it by some doctor working in a lab. I feel absolutely no negative difference and possibly even a positive one (especially from these last syringes that would otherwise be in the refrigerator for nearly 2 months). It's also more practical since frozen syringes can probably last forever (?) and less visible. Oh, it only takes them a few minutes to defrost in room temperature. I've been doing this for years now.
2) Mixing HCG and T in one syringe is bad.
I've been doing it from the beginning of my journey, learnt from a video by Nelson Vergel himself iirc so I don't think this is controversial here.
3) Undecanoate is bad because <insert some weird reason>
The most common argument against it goes like this - "If you inject every 10 weeks, your levels will be low / not stable etc". But why would you do it so rarely (assuming the results are bad) it makes absolutely no sense to me how it's prescribed in the US. Don't blame the compound itself.
I think the biggest advantage of Undecanoate is that if you inject i.e. every 10 days, your levels will be more stable than Enanthate injections every 3 days which I assume you guys have noticed as well to give noticeable testosterone fluctuations. Which means 3 times fewer injections. Or you could inject it just every 2 weeks and have relatively stable levels whereas on Enanthate you start feeling worse after a week aready. Both my experience and the theory confirm it:
Of course this is only some model / approximation but I've found it to correlate with reality well.
Enanthate - 23.29 to 15.86 which is 46% difference in 3 days but mostly after the injection
Undecanoate - 18.81 to 13.73 which is 36% difference in 10 days, far more spread out and you don't feel the rush / surge from my experience.
Obviously Undecanoate takes a lot of time to ramp up / leave your system so it's for experienced guys that are on T constantly.
End of the rant.
