TRT clinics...hard to trust sometimes (my numbers)

sirgawain

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I've been on TRT for years, through the same clinic. I hadn't been taking my AI during that time, but the doc really, really felt that my numbers should be lower than 20, so he advised me to give it a try. Just did the blood work and yikes.

T: 950
E: < 5
SHBG: 30

All of my other numbers are in normal range.

I inject 2x a week, sub-q. 6 units total for the week.

Obviously, I am stopping the AI, but wow -- that just *cratered*...are there outside factors other than the AI that could be driving Estradiol down?

I should've ignored that clinic doc....
 
I've been on TRT for years, through the same clinic. I hadn't been taking my AI during that time, but the doc really, really felt that my numbers should be lower than 20, so he advised me to give it a try. Just did the blood work and yikes.

T: 950
E: < 5
SHBG: 30

All of my other numbers are in normal range.

I inject 2x a week, sub-q. 6 units total for the week.

Obviously, I am stopping the AI, but wow -- that just *cratered*...are there outside factors other than the AI that could be driving Estradiol down?

I should've ignored that clinic doc....
Most experts do not believe AI should be routinely used, and if used at all to be done sparingly based on symptoms only and for a short time. E2 should be above 10 at all times to avoid detrimental effects on mood, bone mineral density, and possibly sexual function. In addition, it may be that the ratio of T to E2 should be maintained rather than an absolute level of E2 to shoot for.
 
the doc really, really felt that my numbers should be lower than 20, so he advised me to give it a try. J
Ask you doctor what is his scientific basis for this suggestion and can he provide you with concrete evidence to back up his claims. If he hesitates in his answer, you have enough information to disregard his suggestion.

You should ignore his suggestion anyways because he's confusing the abusing steroids with therapeutic TRT, in otherwards he's clueless.
 
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I've been on TRT for years, through the same clinic. I hadn't been taking my AI during that time, but the doc really, really felt that my numbers should be lower than 20, so he advised me to give it a try. Just did the blood work and yikes.

T: 950
E: < 5
SHBG: 30

All of my other numbers are in normal range.

I inject 2x a week, sub-q. 6 units total for the week.

Obviously, I am stopping the AI, but wow -- that just *cratered*...are there outside factors other than the AI that could be driving Estradiol down?

I should've ignored that clinic doc....

If blood work was done at true trough then you are hitting a high-end trough TT 950 ng/dL with normal SHBG 30 nmol/L which would have you hitting a high trough cFTV 24 ng/dL yet f**king with that AI has your trough estradiol in the DIRT!

This guy should not be treating men!

Ridiculous telling a man that his estradiol needs to be lower than 20!

Last thing you want to do here is drive one of Ts most critical metabolites into the ground!

Estradiol and DHT are needed in healthy amounts to experience the full spectrum of testosterone-beneficial effects on (cardiovascular health, brain health, libido, erectile function, bone health, tendon health, immune system, lipids, and body composition).





* From a pathophysiological perspective, the detrimental effects of testosterone (T) deficiency on BMD are partly ascribed to relative estrogen deficiency and both serum T and serum estradiol (E2) needs to be above 200 ng/dL and 20 pg/mL to prevent bone loss.




Figure 1. Circulating sex steroids and bone pathophysiology in men: relationship between serum T, E2, individual factors involved in the conversion of T into E2, putative thresholds for serum T 20,79 and E 220,34,47,80-82, and bone health.

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If blood work was done at true trough then you are hitting a high-end trough TT 950 ng/dL with normal SHBG 30 nmol/L which would have you hitting a high trough cFTV 24 ng/dL yet f**king with that AI has your trough estradiol in the DIRT!

This guy should not be treating men!

Ridiculous telling a man that his estradiol needs to be lower than 20!

Last thing you want to do here is drive one of Ts most critical metabolites into the ground!

Estradiol and DHT are needed in healthy amounts to experience the full spectrum of testosterone-beneficial effects on (cardiovascular health, brain health, libido, erectile function, bone health, tendon health, immune system, lipids, and body composition).





* From a pathophysiological perspective, the detrimental effects of testosterone (T) deficiency on BMD are partly ascribed to relative estrogen deficiency and both serum T and serum estradiol (E2) needs to be above 200 ng/dL and 20 pg/mL to prevent bone loss.




Figure 1. Circulating sex steroids and bone pathophysiology in men: relationship between serum T, E2, individual factors involved in the conversion of T into E2, putative thresholds for serum T 20,79 and E 220,34,47,80-82, and bone health.

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Yeah, I inject 2x a week, sub-q, and that test was taken before my second shot of the week.
 

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