Trt advice needed please

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Currently on TRT. Great muscle gains and generally feel good but im suffering badly from erectile issues and libido.

Currently taking 100mg of T cypionate per week split into daily injections.

This has taken my testosterone level to 39 over the last 3 months.

However my estrogen level is 185 - is this too high? If so what is the safest way to address this using an AI, if so what one and how much should I take?

What is optimal estrogen level for someone on TRT

My prolactin has also risen from 176 pre trt to 736. I know this is not good but I'm not sure if treating this is the best thing to do or if addressing the high estrogen will be enough to resolve this?

I also have high SHBG which I feel isn't helped as I take 50 mcg of T3 per day for the thyroid

Many Thanks
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Currently on TRT. Great muscle gains and generally feel good but im suffering badly from erectile issues and libido.

Currently taking 100mg of T cypionate per week split into daily injections.

This has taken my testosterone level to 39 over the last 3 months.

However my estrogen level is 185 - is this too high? If so what is the safest way to address this using an AI, if so what one and how much should I take?

What is optimal estrogen level for someone on TRT

My prolactin has also risen from 176 pre trt to 736. I know this is not good but I'm not sure if treating this is the best thing to do or if addressing the high estrogen will be enough to resolve this?

I also have high SHBG which I feel isn't helped as I take 50 mcg of T3 per day for the thyroid

Many ThanksView attachment 58134
I would lower the dosage of testosterone and of T3 too. First I would reduce T3 to 25mg.
 
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In my opinion the two main factors are the excessive TRT dose and the side effects of HPTA shutdown. I started out on the same TRT protocol as you and experienced the same issues with sexual function and libido. In some cases simply lowering the dose yields substantial improvements. See anecdotes here. However, some of us need HPTA activity to function more normally. This can be tested by switching to a short-acting form of testosterone, such as testosterone nasal gel. This form of TRT isn't particularly user-friendly, but a trial may tell you if the hormonal restoration is what you need. The trial must be pretty long, because it can take at least a month or two for more normal HPTA activity to resume.
 
Is the T3 prescribed? You might not need it now with TRT.
No I'm self medicating. My tsh level steadily increased when on TRT as if it was straining the system. My energy levels declined significantly too. See the table and the additional test note at the bottom for results on thyroid since Feb this year. I started T3 in june
 
No I'm self medicating. My tsh level steadily increased when on TRT as if it was straining the system. My energy levels declined significantly too. See the table and the additional test note at the bottom for results on thyroid since Feb this year. I started T3 in june
No pre TRT thyroid values.
I would reduce to 12.5mg T3 while also reducing T dosage to 80mg per week. Your T4 has declined. After 2-3 months retest everything.
 
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No pre TRT thyroid values.
I would reduce to 12.5mg T3 while also reducing T dosage to 80mg per week. Your T4 has declined. After 2-3 months retest everything.
Pre trt thyroid values are very similar to trt thyroid values.

T4 has declined as expected because I'm taking T3 my body has no need to produce T4 anymore, am I incorrect on that. As I was aware synthetic T3 shuts down thyroid production
 
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Pre trt thyroid values are very similar to trt thyroid values.

T4 has declined as expected because I'm taking T3 my body has no need to produce T4 anymore, am I incorrect on that. As I was aware synthetic T3 shuts down thyroid production
I think one should have values of both within (upper) range. I like experimenting but you are on another almost dangerous level ;)
 
I think one should have values of both within (upper) range. I like experimenting but you are on another almost dangerous level ;)
I don't think there is anything dangerous about it at all! Research T3 mono therapy? T3 is the active thyroid hormone. T4 needs to be converted to T3 to be used in the body's cells. So treatment with T3 only is certainly safe. Research Paul Robinson he is an expert in this field.
 
A low dose of chasteberry may be worthwhile to bump prolactin down. I take 400mg every other day. DHEA may also be worth experimenting with.

Also, if gym gains are your primary issue, you may want to consider coming off of TRT altogether and. once you are at a good steady state again use a low dose of oxandrolone pre-workout several times per week. That might give you a best-of-both-worlds solution and IMO is what people looking for gym benefits should start with.
 
A low dose of chasteberry may be worthwhile to bump prolactin down. I take 400mg every other day. DHEA may also be worth experimenting with.

Also, if gym gains are your primary issue, you may want to consider coming off of TRT altogether and. once you are at a good steady state again use a low dose of oxandrolone pre-workout several times per week. That might give you a best-of-both-worlds solution and IMO is what people looking for gym benefits should start with.
This is really interesting thankyou. So are you in trt also and using this to keep your prolactin levels in range?

If I was come off TRT and use your mentioned steroid how would that impact my natural testosterone levels as they were low pre trt sitting around 13
 
I haven't checked my prolactin levels in many years but yes I'm on a low dose of TRT and I use the chasteberry as a precautionary measure. It seems to be helpful but it is one of many things I do.

Oxandrolone is one of the least suppressive anabolic compounds, and using a SERM like Clomid or Enclomiphene as well would tend to maintain your endogenous levels, however whether you would return to your previous state after having been on TRT is unknown. Some people do and some don't. Being "low" on a single blood test and having symptoms are two different things. I was inferring from your first post the your primary motivation for TRT was the gym since your sexual issues apparently only started while on TRT. I'm a big believer in only targeting the specific issue and trying to leave as much else from your natural state intact as possible.
 
Currently on TRT. Great muscle gains and generally feel good but im suffering badly from erectile issues and libido.

Currently taking 100mg of T cypionate per week split into daily injections.

This has taken my testosterone level to 39 over the last 3 months.

However my estrogen level is 185 - is this too high? If so what is the safest way to address this using an AI, if so what one and how much should I take?

What is optimal estrogen level for someone on TRT

My prolactin has also risen from 176 pre trt to 736. I know this is not good but I'm not sure if treating this is the best thing to do or if addressing the high estrogen will be enough to resolve this?

I also have high SHBG which I feel isn't helped as I take 50 mcg of T3 per day for the thyroid

Many ThanksView attachment 58134

Always include the reference ranges/testing methods used for TT/FT and estradiol when posting labs.

Critical to use the most accurate testing methods TT/estradiol (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis).

You are getting caught up on your TT when the most critical fraction FT is what truly matters here as it is the active unbound fraction of T responsible for the positive effects.

The standard starting dose is 100 mg T/week or 50 mg split twice-weekly.

Yes some men may choose jump in on dailies but it's far from common.

You are injecting 100 mg T/week split into dailies and as you can see your hitting a very high TT 1130.6 ng/dL (39.2 nmol/L) but the s**t kicker here is you have really high SHBG 65.2 nmol/L which means your FT would be healthy but far from high.

Men with highish/high SHBG will need to hit a high-end/high TT in order to achieve a healthy/high FT.

Not sure what testing method was used for testing your FT but the only way to know where its truly sits would be testing using the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis assay especially in cases of altered SHBG otherwise you would need to use/rely on the next best testing method the go to calculate Vermeulen (cFTV) which will give a good approximation.

If we use the go to cFTV with a very high TT 1130.6 ng/dL, high SHBG 65.2 nmol/L and Albumin 4.8 g/dL your cFTV 17 ng/dL is healthy but not high.

Top-end of the reference range 25 ng/dL.

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FT <5 ng/dL would be considerd low.

FT 5-9 ng/dL would be considered the grey zone where some men may experience symptoms of low-T.

FT 10-15 ng/dL would be healthy.

FT 20-25 ng/dL would be high-end/high!

Your cFTV is 17 ng/dL and this is on a daily protocol!

Also keep in mind cFTV tends to slightly overestimated so if you had your FT tested using the gold standard ED assay it would most likely be a little lower.

Would not even consider lowering your dose as your FT is not that high and seeing as you are injecting daily your peak--->trough would be minimal and your blood levels will be very stable throughout the week.

If you were hitting a high FT 25-30 ng/dL then you would easily have room to lower your weekly dose and bring it down if need be but this is not the case.

Highly doubtful your libido/ED issues have anything to do with your FT.

I would tread lightly when it comes to self treating with thyroid meds.

Even then chances are if your most recent prolactin 736 is high then it could easily put a damper on your libido and with a lack lustre libido that can cause ED.

Your prolactin 1243 back in May was even higher and you had a huge jump (285-1243) from 6-12 weeks of starting T.

Also keep in mind there is much more involved than just hormones when it comes to libido and erectile. function.








 
Always include the reference ranges/testing methods used for TT/FT and estradiol when posting labs.

Critical to use the most accurate testing methods TT/estradiol (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis).

You are getting caught up on your TT when the most critical fraction FT is what truly matters here as it is the active unbound fraction of T responsible for the positive effects.

The standard starting dose is 100 mg T/week or 50 mg split twice-weekly.

Yes some men may choose jump in on dailies but it's far from common.

You are injecting 100 mg T/week split into dailies and as you can see your hitting a very high TT 1130.6 ng/dL (39.2 nmol/L) but the s**t kicker here is you have really high SHBG 65.2 nmol/L which means your FT would be healthy but far from high.

Men with highish/high SHBG will need to hit a high-end/high TT in order to achieve a healthy/high FT.

Not sure what testing method was used for testing your FT but the only way to know where its truly sits would be testing using the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis assay otherwise you would need to use/rely on the next best testing method the go to calculate Vermeulen (cFTV) which will give a good approximation.

If we use the go to cFTV with a very high TT 1130.6 ng/dL, high SHBG 65.2 nmol/L and Albumin 4.8 g/dL your cFTV 17 ng/dL is healthy but not high.

Top-end of the reference range 25 ng/dL.

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FT <5 ng/dL would be considerd low.

FT 5-9 ng/dL would be considered the grey zone where some men may experience symptoms of low-T.

FT 10-15 ng/dL would be healthy.

FT 20-25 ng/dL would be high-end/high!

Your cFTV is 17 ng/dL and this is on a daily protocol!

Would not even consider lowering your dose yet as your FT is not that high and seeing as you are injecting daily your peak--->trough would be minimal and your blood levels will be very stable throughout the week.

If you were hitting a high FT 25-30 ng/dL then you would easily have room to lower your weekly dose and bring it down if. need be but this is not the case.

Highly doubtful your libido/ED issues have anything to do with your FT.

I would tread lightly when it comes to self treating with thyroid meds.

Even then chances are if your most recent prolactin 736 is high then it could easily put a damper on your libido and with a lack lustre libido that can cause ED.

Your prolactin 1243 back in may was even higher and you had a huge jump (285-1243) from 6-12 weeks of starting T.

Also keep in mind there is much more involved than just hormones when it comes to libido and erectile. function.










That's a great reply thankyou.

So I was taking HCG which we thought spiked the prolactin so I stopped that in June. Obviously I'm testing at the optimum time in the morning and refraining from any sexual activity for 24 hours.

I need to get prolactin level down somehow?

Do you think stop the T3 medication as this is likely causing my sbhg to rise reducing free T. Should I carry on at the current dose of 100mg per week? Libido was really good when I first started T therapy.
 
Reading along on this one. I don't have advice, but the thing that helped me most was writing every shot down instead of trying to remember it - I log the date, dose and site, plus what's still active, and patterns show up over weeks that I'd otherwise miss. Did your ED/libido change line up with anything you can see in the log, like a dose change or timing shift?
 

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