Thinking of lowering T dose closer to my natural levels.

[Nixter]

So this is just me spot balling here but I've been on trt since late 2016. I'm 45 now.I mainly went on trt so that it would be easier to run a higher dose once or twice a year without having to pct. I also figured the added ability to hold muscle, extra energy, well being, etc, of trt would be great.

I've tried many different doses in this time from 100 up to 225mg, with and without ai and or hcg. The main benefit has been muscle but I've always been chasing my pre trt libido and erections.I rely pretty heavily on cialis currently. My pre trt free test was 263 pmol in a 115-577 range. That's 20.4mg/dl. So a bit on the lower end. My various Trt doses have generally had me near the top of, or way past range.

I'm thinking about lowering my dose to get my levels closer to my natural levels. My logic being that at that dose, everything was in the correct equilibrium for my libido and erections to work properly. And yes, I've had many blood tests attempting to find other culprits but with no success. What's the lowest guys are running here?

Thoughts?

 

[Tman]

Your story sounds like many others on here...chasing the tail. Definitely give the lower dose a try. You might even ask yourself...if what you are currently doing really making a difference.

 

[Nixter]

Coming off completely would be a last option. I'd like to exhaust everything else first

 

[Cataceous]

... And yes, I've had many blood tests attempting to find other culprits but with no success. ...

However, you would find that LH, FSH, GnRH and kisspeptin are all suppressed to some degree. I think it's likely this can have negative effects on libido and sexual function. Reducing the TRT dose to obtain realistic serum levels is a step in the right direction, but it generally won't be a complete solution if the upstream hormones remain too low.

 

[Nixter]

I'll run HCG to help with part of that

 

[Nixter]

Dropped to 80mg today (40mg x2/wk)

 

[Fernando Almaguer]

So this is just me spot balling here but I've been on trt since late 2016. I'm 45 now.I mainly went on trt so that it would be easier to run a higher dose once or twice a year without having to pct. I also figured the added ability to hold muscle, extra energy, well being, etc, of trt would be great.

I've tried many different doses in this time from 100 up to 225mg, with and without ai and or hcg. The main benefit has been muscle but I've always been chasing my pre trt libido and erections.I rely pretty heavily on cialis currently. My pre trt free test was 263 pmol in a 115-577 range. That's 20.4mg/dl. So a bit on the lower end. My various Trt doses have generally had me near the top of, or way past range.

I'm thinking about lowering my dose to get my levels closer to my natural levels. My logic being that at that dose, everything was in the correct equilibrium for my libido and erections to work properly. And yes, I've had many blood tests attempting to find other culprits but with no success. What's the lowest guys are running here?

Thoughts?

It weird for me too sometimes I think my T levels drop to about 400 like before TRT and I have the best libido and erections. What the heck is up with that, jesus

 

[Willyt]

It weird for me too sometimes I think my T levels drop to about 400 like before TRT and I have the best libido and erections. What the heck is up with that, jesus

So this is just me spot balling here but I've been on trt since late 2016. I'm 45 now.I mainly went on trt so that it would be easier to run a higher dose once or twice a year without having to pct. I also figured the added ability to hold muscle, extra energy, well being, etc, of trt would be great.

I've tried many different doses in this time from 100 up to 225mg, with and without ai and or hcg. The main benefit has been muscle but I've always been chasing my pre trt libido and erections.I rely pretty heavily on cialis currently. My pre trt free test was 263 pmol in a 115-577 range. That's 20.4mg/dl. So a bit on the lower end. My various Trt doses have generally had me near the top of, or way past range.

I'm thinking about lowering my dose to get my levels closer to my natural levels. My logic being that at that dose, everything was in the correct equilibrium for my libido and erections to work properly. And yes, I've had many blood tests attempting to find other culprits but with no success. What's the lowest guys are running here?

Thoughts?

What was your libido like when your FT was at the highest level when you were dosing 225mg per week?

 

[Nixter]

What was your libido like when your FT was at the highest level when you were dosing 225mg per week?

Not great.

 

[Jake_from_StateFarm]

I bumped up from 75mg to 100mg per week (split every 3.5 days) and have noticed a slight decrease in libido and MW. Also, my skin is less oily and my nipples had been hard pretty much all day (not in a gyno way). I'm not going to change anything for awhile. My workouts are going great and my mood is very good. If anything, I would possibly consider 88mg per week.

 

[jonezee2014]

Dropped to 80mg today (40mg x2/wk)

Are you noticing any changes?

 

[Nixter]

Are you noticing any changes?

As with anytime I've ever lowered a dose, I get an increase in morning wood with the first week, this time has been no exception. Libido and ED are the main issues I was looking to address so we'll see if this continues. Also want to reduce bacne but it's too soon to tell that. No charges in the gym, which is good. I've dropped a couple pounds but hoping this is water

 

[MNguy]

As with anytime I've ever lowered a dose, I get an increase in morning wood with the first week, this time has been no exception. Libido and ED are the main issues I was looking to address so we'll see if this continues. Also want to reduce bacne but it's too soon to tell that. No charges in the gym, which is good. I've dropped a couple pounds but hoping this is water

You still on the reduced dose? How you feeling?

 

[Nixter]

So far, so good! PB is down, water is down, sleep is improved. Morning wood is still good.. I'll wait longer before declaring success though

 

[jonezee2014]

So far, so good! PB is down, water is down, sleep is improved. Morning wood is still good.. I'll wait longer before declaring success though

What is your protocol now?

 

[Nixter]

What is your protocol now?

I'm currently 6.5 weeks into 80mg/wk divided twice weekly. I was also taking 1000ui HCG also divided twice weekly. I had blood work yesterday so we'll see where I'm at. I dropped the HCG as of today as they acne was getting pretty bad. I suspect high e2. Im having pretty low libido as well which could also be high e2 related. Other than the acne and libido I actually feel pretty good. BP is the lowest it's been since starting TRT and sleep is the best.

 

[Nixter]

As for me would be better to use nandrolone by venditasteroidi.com/profiles/nandrolone. Just my opinion.

Where would you get estrogen?

 

[lukas_az]

I also look outside of hormones. going keto/carnivore/low carb has been huge on my libido. i have no clue why, but anytime I get off keto my libido tanks. everytime I go back it comes back. that was that way prior starting TRT (which bumped it for sure)

 

[andrepohlann]

I also look outside of hormones. going keto/carnivore/low carb has been huge on my libido. i have no clue why, but anytime I get off keto my libido tanks. everytime I go back it comes back. that was that way prior starting TRT (which bumped it for sure)

I was on Keto for long. Resulting in an SHBG of 74 after a while and 30min of deep sleep per night.
Good luck.

 

[Nixter]

Blood work! Collected on Thursday eve. I pin Monday eve and Friday morning. This is on 80mg/wk test e, 1000ui HCG.

Vitamins include
5000ui D
1000 C
250mg B6
3g fishoil
1x Super prostate
81mg aspirin
500mg magnesium at night.

I don't mind the trough T numbers. My BP is good at this amount.

I'm curious what to make of the Estradiol though. I'm trying to address issues like libido, penile sensitivity, and acne. Should e2 be lower? What is the range people usually aim for? 25-30? I'm not sure if this is the same units though.

Progesterone is kinda low which I know can affect libido. Not sure how to raise that.

Lastly, RBC, hemoglobin and hematocrit are all a bit high but ferritin is low so not sure if I can donate.

For now, I've just dropped the HCG and took a single .5 adex dose. I had originally added in the HCG in an attempt to increase libido but I think it just got worse, maybe due to high e2?

Thoughts? Thanks in advance