Vince
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I wish you wouldn't talk about Dr. Crisler. It's terrible what happened to him and I'm sure his testosterone levels had nothing to do with it.Research consistently shows that a low testosterone threshold requirement exists for libido and sexual function. I believe they found the TT level for this to be in the 400s. Thus testosterone has some veto power over libido, but it alone is not sufficient to guarantee it, regardless of the level. Other hormones and neurotransmitters clearly play a role.
Please do not take this as any kind of personal attack. You need to ask people close to you to give an honest assessment of your cognitive state. This is may be the fourth or fifth time I've had to correct you on this false statement. I hope it's just that your life is so busy and full that details like this don't stick. But the repetition after many corrections gives me pause. So once again, I personally find higher testosterone levels to be dulling and demotivating; they do not provoke anxiety.
To also repeat, on the lowest testosterone doses to date, along with supplementation with gondorelin and kisspeptin-10, libido issues seem to have resolved. Libido was low on higher doses of testosterone, particularly before I tried to counter some of the effects of HPTA suppression.
You suggest I say otherwise, but won't be able to find a single example. The reality is that my recommendations to others are relatively mainstream and practical; you try the easier and safer things first, and then if there are still problems your try other things. With TRT this means trying short-acting testosterone first, then conventional TRT with midrange testosterone levels, then hCG, then higher or lower levels, etc.
As you recall, the late Dr. Crisler was an early and strong proponent of a low-and-slow approach to TRT. This is not arbitrary; it is a sensible approach, in line with clinical guidance, that spares many men from a lot of misery.
This protocol FYI is very difficult to find now that Dr. Crisler has sadly passed on due to suicide.
Here it is in its entirety for those who have not seen it before:
Crisler HCG protocol
By John Crisler, DO
In my paper “My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men”, published in A4M’s 2004/5 Anti-Aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows...
Here it is in its entirety for those who have not seen it before:
Crisler HCG protocol
By John Crisler, DO
In my paper “My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men”, published in A4M’s 2004/5 Anti-Aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows...
- Lance69
- dr crisler hcg + trt
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