On TRT - HCG causing bloat/fat gain, even with normal E2 numbers?

[switzoton]

Has anyone else experienced this?

Originally I was taking 50 mg T e3d. My trough was around 800-850 and E2 between 24 and 26 on multiple tests. I don't use AIs.

I am now taking 250iu HCG every 3 days with a 40mg T shot. My T levels are about the same, and my E2 is consistently coming back between 28 and 31 at my trough on the sensitive test.

I always eat very clean. When I am on test only, I can easily maintain ~12% body fat and don't carry much water.

Since adding the HCG, I have noticeable mild water retention - but mainly significant fat gain around the love handles, stomach, and chest area, despite having almost exactly the same T and E2 numbers as when I was on test only. My appetite is actually lower and I am still gaining fat.

Is there any reason besides estrogen that could cause this? Is it the huge bump in progesterone?

I like to keep things simple. If I have to take some other medication to counteract the bloat/fat gain, I'd rather just not use the HCG at all.

 

[Vince Carter]

You can cut back the HCG dose to let's say 100iu E3.5D and see what you get that way.

 

[switzoton]

You can cut back the HCG dose to let's say 100iu E3.5D and see what you get that way.

Yeah definitely considering the lower dose. I'm really just curious why this would cause these side effects in the first place, with seemingly normal bloodwork.

 

[Vince Carter]

OR don't take it with your T.

 

[Vince Carter]

The more likely answer is Estrogen, could be Prog, could be anything. There are a number of us guys on this forum that don't tolerate HCG very well, for whatever reason.

 

[switzoton]

The more likely answer is Estrogen, could be Prog, could be anything. There are a number of us guys on this forum that don't tolerate HCG very well, for whatever reason.

I must be one of those guys. My estrogen is basically the same.

 

[Dasein88]

I must be one of those guys. My estrogen is basically the same.

Have you changed anything? Any better results?

 

[Joe Roberts]

Has anyone else experienced this?

Originally I was taking 50 mg T e3d. My trough was around 800-850 and E2 between 24 and 26 on multiple tests. I don't use AIs.

I am now taking 250iu HCG every 3 days with a 40mg T shot. My T levels are about the same, and my E2 is consistently coming back between 28 and 31 at my trough on the sensitive test.

I always eat very clean. When I am on test only, I can easily maintain ~12% body fat and don't carry much water.

Since adding the HCG, I have noticeable mild water retention - but mainly significant fat gain around the love handles, stomach, and chest area, despite having almost exactly the same T and E2 numbers as when I was on test only. My appetite is actually lower and I am still gaining fat.

Is there any reason besides estrogen that could cause this? Is it the huge bump in progesterone?

I like to keep things simple. If I have to take some other medication to counteract the bloat/fat gain, I'd rather just not use the HCG at all.

 

[Joe Roberts]

I take 250 mcg 2 times a week with 75mg xyosted injection once a week and my stomach has swelled enormously. Tried Kisspeptin with the same bloating issues. Any alternatives or something I can take to counter the bloating? I appreciate any feedback or suggestions.
Thanks.