Nandrolone at Defy Medical

[tumbleweed]

Been with Defy for a long time and my practitioner is being real stubborn with giving me Nandrolone for shoulder weakness and tightness issues past few months. I've tried alternative methods for months. Been lifting for 36 years and lots of football. I'm almost 50 and looking to keep my shoulder joints healthy and be preventative before things get worse. I've seen plenty getting Nandrolone from Defy, what's the secret? They seem to hand out Anavar like candy. I have to stay on the legal route, so need prescription.

 

[madman]

Been with Defy for a long time and my practitioner is being real stubborn with giving me Nandrolone for shoulder weakness and tightness issues past few months. I've tried alternative methods for months. Been lifting for 36 years and lots of football. I'm almost 50 and looking to keep my shoulder joints healthy and be preventative before things get worse. I've seen plenty getting Nandrolone from Defy, what's the secret? They seem to hand out Anavar like candy. I have to stay on the legal route, so need prescription.

ND is prescribed for joint/bone pain.

It is not going to heal inflamed tendons/tears, improve tendon health or keep your joints healthy let alone does not have any magical properties when it comes to building muscle/enhancing strength vs testosterone!

Worn down cartilage in the joint, rotator cuff tendon (impingement, inflammation, tendinosis, tears) can be the cause of what you are experiencing.

Tendonitis and TRT

I’ve read that using exogenous testosterone, and in particular having high TT/FT levels, can cause some “stiffening” of tendons. I’m experiencing extremely painful, chronic tennis elbow. It didn’t occur in isolation - it is an overuse injury. But one that simply will not heal. It’s not as if...

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Something as effective for joints as Nandrolone

Good afternoon Gents, Was wondering if glucosamine, chondroitin, or MSM are even close to nandrolone when it comes to joint pain. Anyone have any experience?

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[Gman86]

Just do ur consultations with Mike Linkus from now on. He’s been on a deca base for like 4 years now, and understands its benefits, and isn’t afraid to use or prescribe it. He would quickly realize that ur not using it to strictly get jacked or whatever, and would most likely have no problem adding it to ur HRT regimen

 

[madman]

Just do ur consultations with Mike Linkus from now on. He’s been on a deca base for like 4 years now, and understands its benefits, and isn’t afraid to use or prescribe it. He would quickly realize that ur not using it to strictly get jacked or whatever, and would most likely have no problem adding it to ur HRT regimen

The OP!

*Been with Defy for a long time and my practitioner is being real stubborn with giving me Nandrolone for shoulder weakness and tightness issues past few months. I've tried alternative methods for months. Been lifting for 36 years and lots of football. I'm almost 50 and looking to keep my shoulder joints healthy and be preventative before things get worse. I've seen plenty getting Nandrolone from Defy, what's the secret? They seem to hand out Anavar like candy. I have to stay on the legal route, so need prescription.



*Just do ur consultations with Mike Linkus from now on. He’s been on a deca base for like 4 years now, and understands its benefits,


There are no magical benefits when it comes to keeping your joints/tendons healthy let alone building muscle/enhancing strength!

Better yet no amount of ND/AAS let alone GH is going to prevent/heal damage to joints, ligaments and tendons from overuse/repetitive heavy lifting long-term.

Not a chance.

LMFAO!




* worn out/degenerative cartilage never grows back

* individual tendon architecture is exquisitely tuned for optimal function, and scar-like healing generally fails to return to its pre-injury structure

*Aged tendons exhibited structural, compositional, and biomechanical changes

 

[tumbleweed]

I have to respectfully disagree. I've done lots of research on it. Plus Defy hands out oxandrolone like candy for joint pain and muscle strength. Oxandrolone, being DHT derived, has the potential to dry joints out. They have articles on their website about how Nandrolone is good to add to TRT for joints. I just don't get it.

Nandrolone increases the body’s natural Collagen production, especially in cartilage, so it stimulates healing and reduces inflammation and pain in joints.

Lots of studies and years of anecdotal data that it helps lubricate and reduce joint pain.

 

[madman]

I have to respectfully disagree. I've done lots of research on it. Plus Defy hands out oxandrolone like candy for joint pain and muscle strength. Oxandrolone, being DHT derived, has the potential to dry joints out. They have articles on their website about how Nandrolone is good to add to TRT for joints. I just don't get it.

Nandrolone increases the body’s natural Collagen production, especially in cartilage, so it stimulates healing and reduces inflammation and pain in joints.

Lots of studies and years of anecdotal data that it helps lubricate and reduce joint pain.

Oxandrolone and fluoxymesterone are top notch when it comes to boosting strength let alone hardening agents/dry gains.

Yes ND can definitely help with relief of joint/bone pain but it is not going to prevent/heal any damage that has been done to worn out cartilage or tendons especially when it comes to tears.

You need to dig much deeper here when it comes to all those studies littered on the internet.

ND is not preventing/reversing any of this.

* worn out/degenerative cartilage never grows back

* individual tendon architecture is exquisitely tuned for optimal function, and scar-like healing generally fails to return to its pre-injury structure

*Aged tendons exhibited structural, compositional, and biomechanical changes

 

[tumbleweed]

That's my point about oxandrolone, don't see it as something for joints from my experience.

This has only been a few months going. There are no past injuries. Just all of sudden weaknesses and aching while lifting or using in life strength movements. My shoulders have always been strong. All other muscles and joints are fine and strong. I've modified my workouts and backed off certain things for shoulders to try and help. I just want to give a try because I have read good thing overall.

 

[jmbb]

Just do ur consultations with Mike Linkus

He literally offered me deca out of nowhere last week, I didn't even bring it up lol.

 

[madman]

That's my point about oxandrolone, don't see it as something for joints from my experience.

This has only been a few months going. There are no past injuries. Just all of sudden weaknesses and aching while lifting or using in life strength movements. My shoulders have always been strong. All other muscles and joints are fine and strong. I've modified my workouts and backed off certain things for shoulders to try and help. I just want to give a try because I have read good thing overall.

If you are interested in trying it out to provide relief for any joint/bone pain then do what you feel is best for you.

Just understand that there is nothing magical here when it comes to preventing/healing any damage to cartilage or tendons let alone building muscle/enhancing strength!

 

[Gman86]

He literally offered me deca out of nowhere last week, I didn't even bring it up lol.

Hahah love Mike. Won’t ever do my consults with anyone else, unless he leaves Defy obv. I’m sure he only offered it because he knows its benefits and how safe it is first hand. It allowed him to stop having to use an ai to keep his estrogen where he likes it

Jc, what was the reason he offered it to u? There’s many benefits to adding it. It’s just another useful tool in the HRT toolbox. U can add it to obv help with joint pain, as everyone knows, but it’s also helpful if dialing in estrogen is an issue a guy is experiencing, to name a few.

 

[Gman86]

@tumbleweed just do a consult with Mike and he’ll allow u to at least trial it, and see if it helps u out. Whether it heals/ prevents injuries is a debatable topic, and not even worth getting into. But what does matter, is real anecdotes of guys reporting that nandrolone was a life saver for them, in regards to joint pain/ general pain relief. I’ve seen many anecdotes over the years of guys saying that nandrolone gave them their life back, due to not having to live in constant pain all the time, and allowing some men to get off their pain meds completely. So it has its place. U just need to trial it for urself and see if it offers u any benefits personally.

 

[jmbb]

Hahah love Mike. Won’t ever do my consults with anyone else, unless he leaves Defy obv. I’m sure he only offered it because he knows its benefits and how safe it is first hand. It allowed him to stop having to use an ai to keep his estrogen where he likes it

Jc, what was the reason he offered it to u? There’s many benefits to adding it. It’s just another useful tool in the HRT toolbox. U can add it to obv help with joint pain, as everyone knows, but it’s also helpful if dialing in estrogen is an issue a guy is experiencing, to name a few.

Oh for sure. I realize now I made it sound like he was pushing drugs which he was not. He was offering it as an alternative base alongside low dose testosterone to prevent an excess of aromatase. Mike is the man.

 

[Gman86]

Oh for sure. I realize now I made it sound like he was pushing drugs which he was not. He was offering it as an alternative base alongside low dose testosterone to prevent an excess of aromatase. Mike is the man.

Yup, makes sense. That’s what he’s doing, protocol wise, and also what I’ve been doing protocol wise since the beginning of last December. Also did it for a year back in 2020. I still enjoy being the person that got him on the nandrolone base bandwagon. Little humble brag lol. But it really is a great alternative for guys that just can’t seem to dial in their E2 and/ or dht levels.

Jc, what did u end up choosing to do? Did u go with the nandrolone base?

 

[ghce]

That's my point about oxandrolone, don't see it as something for joints from my experience.

This has only been a few months going. There are no past injuries. Just all of sudden weaknesses and aching while lifting or using in life strength movements. My shoulders have always been strong. All other muscles and joints are fine and strong. I've modified my workouts and backed off certain things for shoulders to try and help. I just want to give a try because I have read good thing overall.

Have you had any Hi resolution ultrasound scans since the symptoms occurred to check for new undue swelling or tears? as you age these can occur quite easily compared to in your youth.
Recently I had both shoulders scanned after sudden unexplained pain, my internationally recognized sports physician said it was likely only a strain but turned out to be severe rips (50% and 60%) longitudinally and latitudinally, be sure and get new scans!

 

[jmbb]

Yup, makes sense. That’s what he’s doing, protocol wise, and also what I’ve been doing protocol wise since the beginning of last December. Also did it for a year back in 2020. I still enjoy being the person that got him on the nandrolone base bandwagon. Little humble brag lol. But it really is a great alternative for guys that just can’t seem to dial in their E2 and/ or dht levels.

Jc, what did u end up choosing to do? Did u go with the nandrolone base?

How is it working out for you and what's your protocol like?

I was hesitant about it so I stuck with testosterone enanthate for now. I was a little concerned about the negative effects of 19 nors on erections and libido, as well as the brain and mood disturbances, as I have no experience with deca.

I told him that if the new TRT protocol isn't working out in 8 weeks or so after labs that I'd give the deca a shot (no pun intended)

 

[excelnelg]

I wouldn't say they hand it out like candy. It's still prescribed in conservative amounts for the purposes of helping joint pain, etc. Personally, I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which involves a great deal of overall pain and the nando not only helps joint pain, but reduces the CFS pain and greatly enhances my overall quality of life. CFS is a condition that has no officially known cause or cure and thus no official remedies so the nandro has been (I hate using this corny word) a BLESSING. I suspect that it would be very hard for me to find a doctor locally that would agree to prescribe off label for my CFS because of the stigma in mainstream medicine. No negative effects on my mood but mild sexual effects that can be mitigated by adjusting the dose.

 

[Gman86]

Have you had any Hi resolution ultrasound scans since the symptoms occurred to check for new undue swelling or tears? as you age these can occur quite easily compared to in your youth.
Recently I had both shoulders scanned after sudden unexplained pain, my internationally recognized sports physician said it was likely only a strain but turned out to be severe rips (50% and 60%) longitudinally and latitudinally, be sure and get new scans!

What’s the plan for ur shoulders?

 

[Gman86]

How is it working out for you and what's your protocol like?

I was hesitant about it so I stuck with testosterone enanthate for now. I was a little concerned about the negative effects of 19 nors on erections and libido, as well as the brain and mood disturbances, as I have no experience with deca.

I told him that if the new TRT protocol isn't working out in 8 weeks or so after labs that I'd give the deca a shot (no pun intended)

U can DM me for exact protocol, but it’s been going pretty good. Hard to judge fairly tho considering my sleep has been all over the place. Just kids and pets and stuff. Then had a baby the beginning of February, so after that sleep has been really bad. But all things considered, it’s been a pretty good experience. Think I still need dialing in tho. Which is why I’m gonna start from scratch, as far as my E2 sweetspot goes. Just do nandrolone only for a month, then start with a super low dose of test prop, and titrate that up until I figure out where I feel and function at my best

I can understand the hesitancy. Nandrolone has a lot of stigma around it. But pretty much all that stigma is due to guys using it incorrectly. The best erections I’ve ever had on HRT came when I was on a nandrolone base. And libido at that time was good as well. Not like insane, but really health. Wanted sex at least a few times a day if I could get it. But overall don’t fear nandrolone. I can show u many anecdotes where guys had a way higher libido either on nandrolone solo, a nandrolone base, or when adding in nandrolone to their test base, than on test solo. Here’s a few things I have saved. Have soooooo many other links and anecdotes saved on the topic, but here’s a few that should make u feel less hesitant

-34 mins in starts talking about deca only cycle and feeling great, until at least 43 mins

-Dtren talks about his deca only cycle at 33:50 mins to 1:04:00 mins in. 1500mg/ week

Nandrolone (Deca) Base TRT Trial
Dabears thread on his experience with a nandrolone base

12-19-23
DECA BASE RESOLVED HIS SENSITIVITY ISSUE
210 deca. 70 test. Down to 30 test recently
-I changed to MWF because doing 30mg of test daily would be impossible to draw up in syringe so switch to MWF 70mg Deca 10mg test. Prior was 30 Deca daily and 10mg test daily. So maybe the drop in test from 70 to 30mg a week is causing the outbreak and dose schedule change. I was clear as could be the first week of the change and then boom the acne hit.
-Dropped from 70 to 30 test in hopes to reduce acne and increase penile sensitivity. It worked for 2 weeks almost immediately now it’s back. But I do typically react 2 weeks after any protocol change.
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Just checking back in. Morning wood everyday, zero acne, no ED but that was never an issue and most noticeably and important to my situation is I can feel my dick again. Sensitivity is totally restored just by knocking the test down. I have decided to stop the HCG all together as I was only on it to try and restore sensitivity but lowering test accomplished that for me. Muscle gains on 210 Deca are more enhanced for sure than when I ran test at 200. I will continue this until bloods indicate anything negative going on.
-If anyone has had similar issues I really recommend this approach or at least try it.

 

[jmbb]

U can DM me for exact protocol, but it’s been going pretty good. Hard to judge fairly tho considering my sleep has been all over the place. Just kids and pets and stuff. Then had a baby the beginning of February, so after that sleep has been really bad. But all things considered, it’s been a pretty good experience. Think I still need dialing in tho. Which is why I’m gonna start from scratch, as far as my E2 sweetspot goes. Just do nandrolone only for a month, then start with a super low dose of test prop, and titrate that up until I figure out where I feel and function at my best

I can understand the hesitancy. Nandrolone has a lot of stigma around it. But pretty much all that stigma is due to guys using it incorrectly. The best erections I’ve ever had on HRT came when I was on a nandrolone base. And libido at that time was good as well. Not like insane, but really health. Wanted sex at least a few times a day if I could get it. But overall don’t fear nandrolone. I can show u many anecdotes where guys had a way higher libido either on nandrolone solo, a nandrolone base, or when adding in nandrolone to their test base, than on test solo. Here’s a few things I have saved. Have soooooo many other links and anecdotes saved on the topic, but here’s a few that should make u feel less hesitant

-34 mins in starts talking about deca only cycle and feeling great, until at least 43 mins

-Dtren talks about his deca only cycle at 33:50 mins to 1:04:00 mins in. 1500mg/ week

Nandrolone (Deca) Base TRT Trial
Dabears thread on his experience with a nandrolone base

12-19-23
DECA BASE RESOLVED HIS SENSITIVITY ISSUE
210 deca. 70 test. Down to 30 test recently
-I changed to MWF because doing 30mg of test daily would be impossible to draw up in syringe so switch to MWF 70mg Deca 10mg test. Prior was 30 Deca daily and 10mg test daily. So maybe the drop in test from 70 to 30mg a week is causing the outbreak and dose schedule change. I was clear as could be the first week of the change and then boom the acne hit.
-Dropped from 70 to 30 test in hopes to reduce acne and increase penile sensitivity. It worked for 2 weeks almost immediately now it’s back. But I do typically react 2 weeks after any protocol change.
DAbears
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* Today at 5:21 AM
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Just checking back in. Morning wood everyday, zero acne, no ED but that was never an issue and most noticeably and important to my situation is I can feel my dick again. Sensitivity is totally restored just by knocking the test down. I have decided to stop the HCG all together as I was only on it to try and restore sensitivity but lowering test accomplished that for me. Muscle gains on 210 Deca are more enhanced for sure than when I ran test at 200. I will continue this until bloods indicate anything negative going on.
-If anyone has had similar issues I really recommend this approach or at least try it.

Thanks for the extensive write up and links, I know this took some time and it's appreciated. I'll check out the videos after I'm done with work, DMing you for protocol shortly.

 

[ghce]

What’s the plan for ur shoulders?

At an age where surgery would not work as in the words of my Doctor "sewing up the tendons is like sewing up old sailcloth" ie not so effective.
Just a case of time to heal up, had a steroid injection to one shoulder which seems to have worked out, more a case of not acting like I am 20 and lifting objects that are way to heavy.
Its a case of the muscles are more than willing and able but the connective stuff not so much.
The injury was caused by pulling a large vintage car sideways, not an easy task for an immobile car.