If I were in your shoes I'd not hesitate to drop to about 80mg total per week. Those numbers are absurd across the board.View attachment 18870View attachment 18871View attachment 18872View attachment 18870View attachment 18871View attachment 18872On 210 mg/week injected SQ daily as 0.15 ml. Ordered tests myself through discounted labs because I was feeling moody, erection problems and edema in my lower legs, dropping my protocol to 0.1 ml daily, which works out to 140 mg week. any recommendations as to when I should have follow up labs drawn? Thanks in advance
Why 80 mg?If I were in your shoes I'd not hesitate to drop to about 80mg total per week. Those numbers are absurd across the board.
That's actually pretty conservative. If free testosterone is proportional to dose then he could take a quarter of the previous dose, 50-55 mg per week, and still be near top-of-range. The numbers also hint at low SHBG.Why 80 mg?
On paper, yes. But would he feel good? We use lab values to ensure that we are not misattributing symptoms or side effects, and to make sure that we do not incur damage to our health. Labs, however, do not tell us how we feel on a protocol.That's actually pretty conservative. If free testosterone is proportional to dose then he could take a quarter of the previous dose, 50-55 mg per week, and still be near top-of-range. The numbers also hint at low SHBG.
It depends on what's natural for the individual's physiology, along with the extent of side effects caused by TRT. Normal ranges give us a way to at least get in the ballpark of what's likely to be healthy. In the skewed environment of the forums 50 mg per week might be considered "very" low. But in the real world 50 mg is one of only three doses provided by Xyosted. It's also right in the middle of Androgel's recommended dose range of 20-80 mg per day, assuming 10% absorption. I'll concede that in earlier times when injections were limited to every week or two a 50 mg/week protocol would not have been viable. Back then higher dosing was used to keep the troughs from being too low. But now we can inject more often or else use Xyosted, which has double the half-life of standard formulations....
I am curious to see how many guys actually feel good on very low dose TRT such as 50 mg per week.
There’s no argument that if a low daily can put one in a healthy physiological range of FT. But do the guys that are taking these very low doses actually feel good even with healthy free T levels?It depends on what's natural for the individual's physiology, along with the extent of side effects caused by TRT. Normal ranges give us a way to at least get in the ballpark of what's likely to be healthy. In the skewed environment of the forums 50 mg per week might be considered "very" low. But in the real world 50 mg is one of only three doses provided by Xyosted. It's also right in the middle of Androgel's recommended dose range of 20-80 mg per day, assuming 10% absorption. I'll concede that in earlier times when injections were limited to every week or two a 50 mg/week protocol would not have been viable. Back then higher dosing was used to keep the troughs from being too low. But now we can inject more often or else use Xyosted, which has double the half-life of standard formulations.
@Vince I think you are a perfect example to illustrate. If I am not mistaken, I believe your protocol is 16 mg T daily with 500 iu HCG twice weekly. Given your dosage, one would expect your free T to be over the reference range (depending on SHBG), yet this is where you’ve stated you feel your best. Correct?Keep It Up: The Power of Precision Medicine to Conquer Low T and Revitalize Your Life! Hardcover October 8, 2013 by Florence Comite - I read this book a couple of years ago and thought it was really good. I read the kindle version. She talks about men feeling their best, when having their testosterone levels, at the levels they were, when they were young. She believes young men should have their levels tested, so when they get older they know what to shoot for.
These are my latest labs. I've never used an AI.@Vince I think you are a perfect example to illustrate. If I am not mistaken, I believe your protocol is 16 mg T daily with 500 iu HCG twice weekly. Given your dosage, one would expect your free T to be over the reference range (depending on SHBG), yet this is where you’ve stated you feel your best. Correct?
Have you tried a lower dose? If so, how did you feel in comparison?
5-6 times the ester’s half-life would be the length of time required for blood levels to stabilize on a new protocol if the ester is either cypionate or enanthate. 6 weeks is the typical length to wait.I appreciate the discussions about dosing and after a few conversations with my doctor I am lowering my dose to 0.15 ml every 2 days, however I’m going to ask my original question again; those of you with experience in seeing changing lab levels, how long should I wait to retest? Thanks again
I agree with the 6 weeks, but I always wait at least 12. That's how long it usually takes me to feel the difference between protocols.5-6 times the ester’s half-life would be the length of time required for blood levels to stabilize on a new protocol of the ester issue cypionate or enanthate. 6 weeks is the typical length to wait.
View attachment 18870View attachment 18871View attachment 18872View attachment 18870View attachment 18871View attachment 18872On 210 mg/week injected SQ daily as 0.15 ml. Ordered tests myself through discounted labs because I was feeling moody, erection problems and edema in my lower legs, dropping my protocol to 0.1 ml daily, which works out to 140 mg week. any recommendations as to when I should have follow up labs drawn? Thanks in advance