DHT Cream Plus Testosterone Propionate = Major Libido Boost

If anyone has been following the other threads regarding DHT cream and Test Prop, you will know the discussion of libido has been mentioned. I recently ordered some test prop and have been using it the past few days. I have also dialed in my DHT cream home brew to a very nice end product. I do not have a source for the DHT powder to offer however, you are on your own on that one. There are products available with varying strength that are on page 3 of this post.

I share this because this is what TRT is supposed to feel like. It took a few days for the test prop to begin working and with the combination of the DHT cream... Jesus. Honestly, I can't do this every day as I can't concentrate on anything but sex. It's a constant urge that manifests itself in the prostate and radiates outward to a highly potent sexual buzz. For all those looking for the solution to a lack of libido, this may just be the magic bullet. Orgasms are extremely intense.

The best benefit by far though, is the mood enhancement. That calm, confident male mojo just flows easily.

I apologize for gushing, it's not my style. But when you find something that actually REALLY works you cant help but get a bit excited about it and want to share with your Bro's.


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Briefing Document: DHT Cream Plus Testosterone Propionate for Libido Boost​

Source: Excerpts from "DHT Cream Plus Testosterone Propionate = Major Libido Boost - Excel Male TRT Forum" (August 27 - 30, 2024)

Key Themes & Most Important Ideas/Facts:

This forum thread details a self-experimentation protocol by a user named "BadassBlues" that combines topical Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) cream with subcutaneous Testosterone Propionate (Test Prop) injections to achieve a significant and rapid boost in libido, sexual intensity, and mood. While the results are enthusiastically reported, there's also discussion regarding the sustainability of such effects and the practical challenges of such a potent protocol.

1. The "Magic Bullet" Combination for Libido:

The core finding is that the combination of DHT cream and Testosterone Propionate produced an exceptionally strong libido increase. BadassBlues describes it as "what TRT is supposed to feel like" and calls it "the magic bullet."

• "If anyone has been following the other threads regarding DHT cream and Test Prop, you will know the discussion of libido has been mentioned. I recently ordered some test prop and have been using it the past few days. I have also dialed in my DHT cream home brew to a very nice end product... with the combination of the DHT cream... Jesus. Honestly, I can't do this every day as I can't concentrate on anything but sex. It's a constant urge that manifests itself in the prostate and radiates outward to a highly potent sexual buzz. For all those looking for the solution to a lack of libido, this may just be the magic bullet. Orgasms are extremely intense."

2. Rapid Onset and Intense Effects:

The effects of the combination were felt quickly, within a "few days" for the Test Prop to start working, combined with the DHT cream. The intensity of the libido boost is a recurring point, leading to "major distraction."

• "It took a few days for the test prop to begin working and with the combination of the DHT cream... Jesus. Honestly, I can't do this every day as I can't concentrate on anything but sex. It's a constant urge that manifests itself in the prostate and radiates outward to a highly potent sexual buzz."
• "I'm, not exaggerating when I say it's a major distraction to be teenager horny when trying to work."
• Regarding Test Prop peak: "my best guess as to that after using it is 5 hours. By 1 or 2 O'clock, I am majorly distracted..."

3. Beyond Libido: Mood Enhancement and "Male Mojo":

In addition to sexual effects, the protocol also resulted in significant mood improvement, described as a "calm, confident male mojo."

• "The best benefit by far though, is the mood enhancement. That calm, confident male mojo just flows easily."

4. Dosing and Application Details (BadassBlues's Protocol):

• Testosterone Propionate: 20 mg Sub Q (subcutaneous) in the AM.
• DHT Cream: A "dime sized drop" applied to the "taint" (perineum) area, using PhloJel as a base for quick drying. A small amount is also applied to the "big guy" (penis), specifically the frenulum, for increased sensitivity.
• Frequency: Not intended for daily routine use due to the intensity. It will be used "on demand" or for "weekends and other special occasions." BadassBlues plans to stay on Cypionate as his main TRT protocol.

5. "Honeymoon Period" and Sustainability Concerns:

Other forum members, notably "Cataceous," raise the possibility that the initial intense results might be a "honeymoon period" that is not sustained long-term, similar to experiences with propionate or bremelanotide.

• Cataceous: "This sounds a lot like the honeymoon period I had with propionate. It lasted a week or two. I had a similar experience with bremelanotide, though shorter. It will be interesting to see if your results are sustained for a longer period."
• BadassBlues acknowledges this: "As you said though, maybe that's a short-lived thing as this is my first time using it. I'll post updates."

6. Application Site Justification and Practicalities:

The choice of the "taint" (perineum, the area between the anus and genitals) for DHT cream application is noted for its effectiveness in boosting libido and for practical reasons related to transferability during sexual activity.

• BadassBlues: "I do put a little on the big guy, but for the libido bump, the taint works best."
• FunkOdyssey: "There are some practical advantages to that application site: you won't be able to safely make use of your obscene libido if your junk is covered with transferable DHT cream."
• BadassBlues clarifies: "The cream penetrates the skin and is absorbed. Once absorbed, it works within the area you placed it. I have found a rejuvenation effect from using Andractim years ago. You would definitely wash it off prior to sex."

7. "Home Brew" and Sourcing Challenges:

BadassBlues created a "home brew" DHT cream and does not offer a source for the DHT powder, noting that others are "on your own on that one." However, he mentions that "products available with varying strength are on page 3 of this post." This highlights the unregulated and self-sourced nature of some of the components of this experimental protocol.

 

I heard about a cheaper source for Andractim from a seller in France but I don't know if that particular 2.5% formulation is that effective for anything.

It's probably fine for many purposes as a TRT adjunct. My friend is only able to use .25 ml of the alphagels product every other day because it's so potent, and testing suggests that is only ~10% DHT.

 

Anyone test his Alphagels? This guy says his latest batch is fake:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/andractim-dht-gel-or-stanolone-powder-sources.134429120/page-3

 

Anyone test his Alphagels? This guy says his latest batch is fake:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/andractim-dht-gel-or-stanolone-powder-sources.134429120/page-3

Looks like the lack of DHT raws caught up with alphagels, and they don't have the integrity to stop selling it.

 

Interesting. Not surprising given the effect DHT derivatives have on even systemic E2 for a lot of guys, but good to have additional anecdotal evidence that it's also the case for bioidentical DHT.

I'm not finding DHT Enanthate from Russian Star Peptides, did you mean 5AR Society? As far as I know, RSP is not a reliable source.

The best way I know of getting pretty much anything steroids related tested (including peptides, raws, etc...) is Janoshik's lab (just google the name).

I've bought DHT Enanthate myself recently and sent it to that lab to be tested, I should actually have the results probably in a few days and will post them here, but the more samples we can have tested as a group the better obviously, so I encourage you to send a sample as well.

Hey boss, any updates in regards to the lab tests for the DHT-E ?

 

Yeah stop buying from Alphagels, new Janoshik report says it doesn't contain DHT: https://thinksteroids.com/community...-powder-sources.134429120/page-3#post-3534135

 

Hey boss, any updates in regards to the lab tests for the DHT-E ?

Yes he has news. @Jerajera

 

Yes he has news. @Jerajera

Yes indeed. The DHT E is legit, came back as 85mg/mL from Jano testing. 5ARS says Jano "has admitted to not using reference standards in HPLC-testing DHT esters, only his own proprietary orthogonal methods" and it's actually much closer to 100mg/mL.

Either way the stuff is legit and even if it were 85mg/mL it's still within what I'm happy to use especially from the only UGL making that stuff.

Also, they are super responsive/professional and I got my order in 2-3 days after payment confirmation. Everything very well done, probably MCT oil as the oil pulls very fast/easily. Overall great experience.

I'll post the Jano test results in a few hours, drowning at work right now but wanted to confirm in the meantime.

 

Yes indeed. The DHT E is legit, came back as 85mg/mL from Jano testing. 5ARS says Jano "has admitted to not using reference standards in HPLC-testing DHT esters, only his own proprietary orthogonal methods" and it's actually much closer to 100mg/mL.

Either way the stuff is legit and even if it were 85mg/mL it's still within what I'm happy to use especially from the only UGL making that stuff.

Also, they are super responsive/professional and I got my order in 2-3 days after payment confirmation. Everything very well done, probably MCT oil as the oil pulls very fast/easily. Overall great experience.

I'll post the Jano test results in a few hours, drowning at work right now but wanted to confirm in the meantime.

Thanks hope it does what you want from it and keep us updated

 

Here are the Jano test results for the 5ARS injectable DHT E:

EDIT: For some reason the resolution is absolutely terrible, including when I download the file and compare it to my original. I'm assuming there's some compression on upload but this seems illegible. If someone has a fix, let me know.

 

I guess if you are looking for a DHT boost , wouldnt it be easier just to get test cream snd use it on the scrotum? This seems to raise DHT 2-4x the reference range for most people who use it. Easier to get T cream vs procuring UGL DHT. Or am I missing something?

 

I guess if you are looking for a DHT boost , wouldnt it be easier just to get test cream snd use it on the scrotum? This seems to raise DHT 2-4x the reference range for most people who use it. Easier to get T cream vs procuring UGL DHT. Or am I missing something?

Scrotal Test cream also jacks up E2 extremely high in my experience, with negative side effects for me at least.

It's also very difficult to dose accurately; I think those who claim super accurate consistent dosing haven't actually run several tests often enough on exactly the same dosages and are just hoping/assuming.

Finally the half-life of the cream is very short, of the order of ~16 hours, and will either lead to very significant variation in levels (65%+) over a 24 hour period, or you have to apply twice/day and get two peaks which for a lot of guys, myself included, messes with sleep and is also very inconvenient and quite a hassle after a while (cue Dr. Nichols jumping in this thread to admonish anyone not singing the praises of every aspect of the cream's pharmacokinetics).

Overall, injectable DHT E is basically guaranteed dosing consistency, easier administration schedule, much more stable levels, and more granular control over your protocol.

For me, those are significant enough differences that it's a no brainer.

I'm also not worried about the UGL aspect; I test a sample of every single vial I buy from UGLs, even the ones I've already tested and vetted myself.

 

I guess if you are looking for a DHT boost , wouldnt it be easier just to get test cream snd use it on the scrotum? This seems to raise DHT 2-4x the reference range for most people who use it. Easier to get T cream vs procuring UGL DHT. Or am I missing something?

You are not missing anything. I have personally done just that very thing for many years with relatively good results. But... and this is a big but... It is NOTHING compared to a straight dose of DHT. Everyone will metabolize differently so putting T gel on your scrotum will give variable results to different people.

DHT has kick that is very different from testosterone. It is much stronger and far more libido boosting than just T. It also has some very different psychological effects that are unique. Mood elevation and an overall sense of male mojo are profound.

I'm 68 years old, I have been at this since my 40's... trust me on this as I have tried both.

 

Scrotal Test cream also jacks up E2 extremely high in my experience, with negative side effects for me at least.

It's also very difficult to dose accurately; I think those who claim super accurate consistent dosing haven't actually run several tests often enough on exactly the same dosages and are just hoping/assuming.

Finally the half-life of the cream is very short, of the order of ~16 hours, and will either lead to very significant variation in levels (65%+) over a 24 hour period, or you have to apply twice/day and get two peaks which for a lot of guys, myself included, messes with sleep and is also very inconvenient and quite a hassle after a while (cue Dr. Nichols jumping in this thread to admonish anyone not singing the praises of every aspect of the cream's pharmacokinetics).

Overall, injectable DHT E is basically guaranteed dosing consistency, easier administration schedule, much more stable levels, and more granular control over your protocol.

For me, those are significant enough differences that it's a no brainer.

I'm also not worried about the UGL aspect; I test a sample of every single vial I buy from UGLs, even the ones I've already tested and vetted myself.

What protocol will you run ,?

 

What protocol will you run ,?

I added 25mg/week DHT E to the 200mg Test E I was already running with some hCG.

I don't think much DHT is needed (especially with 100% bioavailability) for mental/mood benefits and a significant amount of E2 antagonism, but we'll see. I'd rather start low.

 

I don't think much DHT is needed (especially with 100% bioavailability) for mental/mood benefits and a significant amount of E2 antagonism, but we'll see. I'd rather start low.

My friend who was using Alphagels topical DHT, back when it still contained actual DHT, found that the optimal dose was much lower than most people were experimenting with: 0.25 ml, either daily or every other day. On top his regular TRT, this small amount had major benefits for his sexual function and libido. He found higher doses actually reversed the benefits and would backfire.

I'm wondering if I was just using too much of it, because I would experience a big boost from it acutely with the sex stuff, which would give way to [what I would interpret as] low E2 symptoms with continued use. For some reason, it never occurred to me to try using less than a full 1 ml dropper.

All this to say, yes, it seems like a little goes a long way with DHT.

 

My friend who was using Alphagels topical DHT, back when it still contained actual DHT, found that the optimal dose was much lower than most people were experimenting with: 0.25 ml, either daily or every other day. On top his regular TRT, this small amount had major benefits for his sexual function and libido. He found higher doses actually reversed the benefits and would backfire.

I'm wondering if I was just using too much of it, because I would experience a big boost from it acutely with the sex stuff, which would give way to [what I would interpret as] low E2 symptoms with continued use. For some reason, it never occurred to me to try using less than a full 1 ml dropper.

All this to say, yes, it seems like a little goes a long way with DHT.

Personally, I find that the application site also changes the effects. I have the best results putting it straight on the penis. Scrotum application is a bit stronger, but ends up affecting the prostate too much. A definite decrease in ejaculate volume and a mild aching after a few days. PSA is unchanged however, I just had it tested a was 1.2.

I haven’t had any E2 issues, but age may be a factor on that.

I do take breaks here and there, I end up craving it after a week or so.

 

What do you guys suggest for people with PFS? Maybe using the DHTe/gel as a mono therapy?

 

What do you guys suggest for people with PFS? Maybe using the DHTe/gel as a mono therapy?

Not monotherapy, it will be suppressive. At least a base of hCG should be used with it, if not full TRT + hCG + DHT.