Are higher T levels safe

[Tgk_143]

Hey guys,

I switched creams from hrt base 10% 100mg a day (50mg twice per day) to atrevis base 20% same protocol.

My acne cleared up and actually feel much better overall, I suspected I was possibly getting less testosterone since acne went away however that wasnt the case.
My testosterone on the hrt base was 723ng/dl with a free t of 23, e2 248pmol. Now my total is 1087, e2 188pmol, 30FT.

This is 12 hours after last application so im most likely running around with 1500+ testosterone on a regular basis since I'm taking the cream twice a day.

Im wondering if it fine/safe for me to be at those high levels long term? I'm not sure what my trt guy is going to say but I do talk with him in a few days.

My hemoglobin is 163 top of ref is 175, hematocrit is at 48 , so within range. Rbcs is 5.34. So I think all that looks good.

Thanks guys.

 

[K.pietera]

No worries at rhis point

 

[Tgk_143]

I'm guessing because my bloods are all in range ? Thanks for the reply BTW.

 

[Systemlord]

I'm guessing because my bloods are all in range ?

That and a lack of symptoms. 68% of forum members feel best at the top or above the normal ranges.

At what Free T level do you feel optimal?

As the thread title says, I want to compile a consensus and see at what Free T levels our members feel optimal. Please specify if levels are at trough, midpoint or peak. Also detail protocol and time of lab testing in relation to your injections. These poll questions are for Free T only either...

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[Vince]

I've never used creams or gels so I can't comment on that. But I do like higher levels. That's when I feel my best and I've been on TRT for over 10 years now. All that time with good results.

 

[tareload]

That and a lack of symptoms. 68% of forum members feel best at the top or above the normal ranges.

At what Free T level do you feel optimal?

As the thread title says, I want to compile a consensus and see at what Free T levels our members feel optimal. Please specify if levels are at trough, midpoint or peak. Also detail protocol and time of lab testing in relation to your injections. These poll questions are for Free T only either...

www.excelmale.com

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[Tgk_143]

That and a lack of symptoms. 68% of forum members feel best at the top or above the normal ranges.

At what Free T level do you feel optimal?

As the thread title says, I want to compile a consensus and see at what Free T levels our members feel optimal. Please specify if levels are at trough, midpoint or peak. Also detail protocol and time of lab testing in relation to your injections. These poll questions are for Free T only either...

www.excelmale.com

Ya I haven't had any negative symptoms what so ever thus far anyways.

What's on my mind right now is possible dvts or aneurysms potentially? I've been reading some horror stories so that wasn't helping. Lol.

The reason why I'm even thinking this way is that I have really bad varicose veins in my legs that I will have to get surgically removed, makes me wonder how the other veins and blood vessels are doing.

 

[Tgk_143]

I've never used creams or gels so I can't comment on that. But I do like higher levels. That's when I feel my best and I've been on TRT for over 10 years now. All that time with good results.

I'm glad to here that, thanks for sharing. This stuff just gets you thinking right, and with Jo lindners passing some anxiety sprung up. I know he did more than just trt but his blood work apparently was phenomenal so... but genetics definitely play a major role though too.

 

[Systemlord]

The reason why I'm even thinking this way is that I have really bad varicose veins in my legs that I will have to get surgically removed, makes me wonder how the other veins and blood vessels are doing.

My dad had some on his toes amputated because of poor blood flow in the legs because has low-T/type 2 diabetes. One of my dad’s arteries in his legs had narrowed to the point where blood flow was insufficient, which is the reason why the toes were amputated.

My dad refuses TRT because he is stubborn and proud.

Testosterone administration increases coronary artery diameter and flow.

 

[tareload]

Now my total is 1087, e2 188pmol, 30FT.

This is 12 hours after last application so im most likely running around with 1500+ testosterone on a regular basis since I'm taking the cream twice a day.

Im wondering if it fine/safe for me to be at those high levels long term? I'm not sure what my trt guy is going to say but I do talk with him in a few days.

For you? Unknown.

 

[Tgk_143]

My dad had some on his toes amputated because of poor blood flow in the legs because has low-T/type 2 diabetes. One of my dad’s arteries in his legs had narrowed to the point where blood flow was insufficient, which is the reason why the toes were amputated.

My dad refuses TRT because he is stubborn and proud.

Testosterone administration increases coronary artery diameter and flow.

Wow thats pretty crapy man but to each their own right.

That would make sense as to why my blood pressure has gotten much better after starting trt. I still take meds but very much in a better overall range consistently and lowered my meds as well.

 

[Tgk_143]

For you? Unknown.

I understand it's hard to say as everyone is individually different. Guess I'll have to find out lol.

 

[Tgk_143]

For you? Unknown.

Hey I just had another quick question, just got off the phone with my trt guy and he said I could drop it down to once daily dose, so 50mg per day. Compound cream, originally 100mg per day total.

How quickly after the 12 hour mark does it fall? So Currently I'm at 1087tt 30ft 12 hours after application, I should probably be good to ride it out another 12 hours without feeling too crapy hey?

 

[Systemlord]

just got off the phone with my trt guy and he said I could drop it down to once daily dose, so 50mg per day.

This TRT guy is recommending a mild cycle, which is not TRT.

 

[Tgk_143]

This TRT guy is recommending a mild cycle, which is not TRT.

No no its compound cream, I was on 100mg total a day, 50mg twice per day. He was suggesting I could lower it to once a day application of 50mg if I was concerned with high levels but he didn't think it was necessary but it was up to me.

 

[Charliebizz]

Hey I just had another quick question, just got off the phone with my trt guy and he said I could drop it down to once daily dose, so 50mg per day. Compound cream, originally 100mg per day total.

How quickly after the 12 hour mark does it fall? So Currently I'm at 1087tt 30ft 12 hours after application, I should probably be good to ride it out another 12 hours without feeling too crapy hey?

Honestly man. Being a cream user myself and talking to many other guys on cream. It’s so individual. (not that injections aren’t) but some guys drop back to baseline at once daily by the next morning. And other guys may Not have a big drop at all. I believe @Nelson Vergel still had above range numbers 24 hours after a.m application. we are all different. Unfortunately it’s all trial and error.

also going by how you feel is great when you feel good. But if you’re not feeling great, don’t guess. I thought my t was high when I first started cream turns out I was low. Raised the dose and feel much better.

 

[Charliebizz]

This TRT guy is recommending a mild cycle, which is not TRT.

SMH ‍

 

[tareload]

Hey I just had another quick question, just got off the phone with my trt guy and he said I could drop it down to once daily dose, so 50mg per day. Compound cream, originally 100mg per day total.

How quickly after the 12 hour mark does it fall? So Currently I'm at 1087tt 30ft 12 hours after application, I should probably be good to ride it out another 12 hours without feeling too crapy hey?

Where are you applying?

8 to 12 hour elimination half life with scrotal application.

Yes.

Example of pharmacokinetics with men using scrotal application.

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[Tgk_143]

Where are you applying?

8 to 12 hour elimination half life with scrotal application.

Yes.

Example of pharmacokinetics with men using scrotal application.

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See Fig 1

Thank you and yes its scrotal application. I will check out that study as well. Much appreciated

 

[Tgk_143]

Honestly man. Being a cream user myself and talking to many other guys on cream. It’s so individual. (not that injections aren’t) but some guys drop back to baseline at once daily by the next morning. And other guys may Not have a big drop at all. I believe @Nelson Vergel still had above range numbers 24 hours after a.m application. we are all different. Unfortunately it’s all trial and error.

also going by how you feel is great when you feel good. But if you’re not feeling great, don’t guess. I thought my t was high when I first started cream turns out I was low. Raised the dose and feel much better.

Thanks for the reply. How long have you been on cream for? Have you ever missed 2nd application in the evening? I have and honestly didn't feel much different, however I wonder if that would change after a few days/weeks of missing the second dose? Ya I wish I knew what my levels would be 24 hours after, guess the only way is to test. I didn't know it varied that much in people, Nelson must have had a pretty high level 12 hours after application as well than.