hcg + trt

I have always struggled to take HCG due to it aromatisation to Estrogen even at small doses. I have 2 COMT SNP’s that significantly decrease my body ability to clear estrogen and having high estrogen levels further decreases my ability to clear estrogens. I have also had lumps form in my...

Hi. Im on TRT for a month now and I've been taking only daily testosterone(sustanon) - 20mg per day with some vitamins and minerals. I have not build up yet good levels, because of the long sustanon ester it will take another 2-3 weeks. Last Thursday my total test was 833, I hope it will go to...

Hi all on this amazing forum, I know this is mostly a TRT forum, but I know y’all are knowledgeable about this subject which is why I’m asking here. I’m coming toward the end of my 500mg test + 250 sust per week cycle and have been pinning 500iu HCG EOD throughout (plus .5 mg anastrozole per...

For you secondary guys, has anyone tried this approach? I am theorizing that adding HCG once someone has their Testosterone dosage dialed in results in being overmedicated. Could this be the reason why we see elevated E2 once adding in HCG. Does anyone do 1000-2000iu of HCG along with a test...

Hey guys. Looking for input. A friend told me he read an article that said HCG tends to be less effective in men over 50. Has anyone ever heard of this? Thanks Kaes

Hey All, I'm a 29 year old male in Australia. I have just been prescribed TRT and HCG by my Dr for low T. My total T was around 210. LH and FSH were high so it looks like primary hypogonadism. He's prescribed me 250mg of Sustanon 250 per 2 weeks and 1500 IU of HCG per week. I am getting more...

I just started HCG with TRT this week. After my first two shots of HCG with the T shots my ED just got worse. Has anybody ever experienced this with just starting out? Is this just due to my levels fluctuating or is this high estrogen causing this ?

I have started my T with psa 1.4 after 40 days I went to 1.69 and back to 1.46. This matches papers indicating increase PSA by 0.3 on T and returning back to a point a bit higher than what started. after that I changed my protocol lower my T and Used HCG that actually work (initially protocol...

Hi to everybody: How many people here: USE, and FEEL BETTER adding HCG on TRT (and if possible also explain why: how or what feel better)? Thank you .

Been on TRT for about 2.5 years. 34 year old male. I have 2 kids and want to keep the party going with a 3rd, possibly even 4th. Hopefully some information that comes out of this can help someone else. Of course, I am hoping it will help me too. I've spent about 4 weeks reading info here and I...

Dear All, This is my first post so I initially want to thank you and Nelson for this wonderful site and community. It has been super beneficial stumbling to this site. I have been on TRT for 20+ years. I think my pre TRT T levels were 200 or so. With TRT my T levels are 450. Recently for...

Hello everyone. In trt, which dosage of hcg, on average, could it be sufficient to maintain only testicular trophism (not fertility)? 2x250ui per week could be enough as an initial base to try? Thanks

Putting fertility issues aside, if you figure out the minimum dosage required to prevent or counter testicle shrinkage, would taking any more HCG provide any additional benefits? On TRT alone I definitely get shrinkage, but no pain. So I take HCG purely for cosmetic purposes, as I don't feel...

Hello everyone, so i am having issues with HCG. No matter how low i go ( as low as 100 iu) my e2 starts ramping up. I am also super hypersensitive to arimidex and taking as low as 0.01mg (not a typo) brings my e2 too low. When i get off hcg, i start feeling the true benefits of trt. however my...

I've been on a fairly standard Defy protocol that hasn't changed much in 2.5 years. M-W-F injections 50 cypionate, 300 HCG, 50 mg DHEA, .25 Arimidex (not now). As I've lost weight, my levels have all shot up. 01-2017 242 lbs 283 Total Start TRT 08-2017 (240 lbs) Total - 646 Free - 22.22...

I'm 55 years old and have been on TRT for 4+ years and struggling to get dialed in all this time. I am almost ready to throw in the towel but have been trying a few final approaches before giving up. One thing I'm doing which seems to be working so far is to stop HCG all together. I am...

@Nelson Vergel are you aware of any studies/opinions published in medical journals that discuss the importance of using HCG in conjunction with TRT? I need to cite a few.

Hi guys, Just looking to learn more if the data’s out there, Please correct my assumptions if they’re wrong. From what I gathered from reading posts here and elsewhere: -Most people on only T experience testicle shrinkage, but there are a few unicorns out there that dont experience any...

I take 200mg test Cyp weekly split into two injections and im looking to add HCG into the protocol. Do you inject the day before each test shot? day after? or does it really matter?

Hi Folks, I am thinking at start TRT + HCG and would like to know what is the long term side effects of using HCG. I know few people use HCG only when they trying to conceive but what if i keep using HCG for like lets say 5 years. Does it cause any problems? The reason for not trying TRT alone...

Hi All I have spent hours looking for studies about using HCG while on TRT and/or cycling to lower LDL Acording to Seth Spartan HCG will lower LDL I am currently on TRT if this is true my doctor would surely prescribe HCG but i need some studies to back me up cheers!

Hi everyone, I’ve been on TRT since 2017 and have been on and off with my use of HCG. When I started TRT I was told to never go above 500ius of HCG per day otherwise it could cause desensitized leydig cells. I’ve talked to a few doctors who said that this is nonsense and they have their younger...

I've been on TRT since 2013 and I started at 250iu's of HCG twice a week and my testicles got softer and started shrinking. I immediately added a third shot (so now I was up to 250iu's on M-W-F) and it was fine. I then tried 150iu's per day and that went well too. I then read about fertility...

I am interested in adding HCG. I am a strong aromatizer, probably because my BF % is close to 30, with a lot of visceral fat vs subcutaneous. I have settled on 12.5mg exemestane/aromasin every day, with no sign of this being too much. EOD was not enough, and I now have better libido and mood...

Hello Friends, I am new to this group and i feel that this site is a life saver. Technically I am within normal range but i have high LH/FSH and Low Testosterone and Low Sperm count which makes me a primary hypogonadism. Since, my testis is working partially, it is producing some testosterone...

I'm a 35 year old with secondary hypo due to chronic illness. My symptoms are ED, fatigue, muscle pain, and low motivation. Here's how I look without treatment: Total T 226-390 (264-916) Free T 11-12.5 (5-21) Lh 3.4 (1.7-8.6) FSH 2-2.7 (1.5-12.4) Prolactin 6.1 (4.0-15.2) E2 (never tested off...

I started a protocol simply with testosterone cypionate. I have a pituitary tumor, but my endo refused to prescribe injections, despite multiple low testosterone labs. I found a local bio-identical doctor, and he ran my labs again, and prescribed testosterone. Save me a bunch of money, cause I...

I didn't want to bombard the thread that Dr Saya posted those two case studies on HCG dosing so I figured I would start my own to ask a few Q's. I am going to consult with Dr. Saya when my next appointment comes in a month but I wanted to see what you all thought as well (plus it's free to ask...

On Monday I felt the best I have in years, focused, energetic, muscles were full and I had a powerful urge to go to the gym and workout hard. It was only in the afternoon that it dawned on me that this usually means I have caught a particularly bad bug and my body has turned all its systems up...

Hi all very glad to have found this board. Long time listener first time caller. Weeks later and Have a wicked side effect now of brain fog, “tightness” around my eyes, lack of focus and visibly hot face with red nose cheeks forehead and ears. Sometimes my arms or back has a slight burning...

There is alot of good information on HCG backfilling pathways. I get confused when individuals are taking hcg along with dhea and pregnenolone supplementation. Has anyone had blood work done that shows hcg increasing either/all dhea, pregnenolone and progesterone?