Peak vs trough testosterone level

sh1973

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Have there ever been any large studies that give an accurate range of what a typical range/percentage there is between the low and high points of a testosterone injection. For instance, I have always did best with once weekly low dose and currently do 52mg per week. My trough has been 640-660ng day seven morning of my next shot. I would like to know where I’m peaking and most likely just need to get labs but was curious if there is a range verified through studies? At one point I checked levels when doing 100mg per week and 3 days after injection I was close to 1500ng. At 100mg my trough was over 1000ng.
 
Ive often thought and believed that peak over trough is where we should be looking. Its a flaw in how TRT is sold to guys as in we'll keep you at the LOWEST point high physiological if not supraphysiological.
Most guys with E problems, which is most all, usually overlook the fact that their number of 29 on a LCMSMS test, which by the numbers looks good and they can't understand why they still have E symptoms and problems.
 
Ive often thought and believed that peak over trough is where we should be looking. Its a flaw in how TRT is sold to guys as in we'll keep you at the LOWEST point high physiological if not supraphysiological.
Most guys with E problems, which is most all, usually overlook the fact that their number of 29 on a LCMSMS test, which by the numbers looks good and they can't understand why they still have E symptoms and problems.
I agree and honestly think labs midway would be a better window to see what’s happening.
 
You can estimate the peak-trough ratio based on the half-life of the testosterone ester. The estimate I use for weekly injections of testosterone cypionate is 2.5, which stems from a five-day half-life. This would put your peak at over 1,500 ng/dL. However, half-lives vary among individuals, so yours could be longer—meaning slower absorption—yielding less dramatic peaks. This is supported by your report of a drop from 1,500 ng/dL to ~1,000 ng/dL in about four days. These numbers put your half-life closer to seven days, and would reduce your predicted peak to more like 1,300 ng/dL. Your relatively high SHBG means these numbers for total testosterone are not as extreme as people might think. For example, with TT at 1,300 ng/dL and SHBG at 60 nMol/L your Vermeulen calculated free testosterone is about 23 ng/dL, which is close to the top of the healthy normal range for young men. A trough TT of 650 ng/dL puts cFTV at around 10 ng/dL, which is high enough to avoid being hypogonadal.
 
You can estimate the peak-trough ratio based on the half-life of the testosterone ester. The estimate I use for weekly injections of testosterone cypionate is 2.5, which stems from a five-day half-life. This would put your peak at over 1,500 ng/dL. However, half-lives vary among individuals, so yours could be longer—meaning slower absorption—yielding less dramatic peaks. This is supported by your report of a drop from 1,500 ng/dL to ~1,000 ng/dL in about four days. These numbers put your half-life closer to seven days, and would reduce your predicted peak to more like 1,300 ng/dL. Your relatively high SHBG means these numbers for total testosterone are not as extreme as people might think. For example, with TT at 1,300 ng/dL and SHBG at 60 nMol/L your Vermeulen calculated free testosterone is about 23 ng/dL, which is close to the top of the healthy normal range for young men. A trough TT of 650 ng/dL puts cFTV at around 10 ng/dL, which is high enough to avoid being hypogonadal.
At some point I would like to get labs 2-3 times during the week to see where things are. It would be interesting.
 
Have there ever been any large studies that give an accurate range of what a typical range/percentage there is between the low and high points of a testosterone injection. For instance, I have always did best with once weekly low dose and currently do 52mg per week. My trough has been 640-660ng day seven morning of my next shot. I would like to know where I’m peaking and most likely just need to get labs but was curious if there is a range verified through studies? At one point I checked levels when doing 100mg per week and 3 days after injection I was close to 1500ng. At 100mg my trough was over 1000ng.

Would not get too caught up on the PKs!











MP85-14 VARIANCE IN PEAK AND TROUGH TESTOSTERONE LEVELS IN MEN USING INTRAMUSCULAR TESTOSTERONE
Bruno Nascimento*, Helen L Bernie, Elizabeth Schofield, John P. Mulhall, New York, NY


CONCLUSIONS

In our population of patients on stable IM T dose, there was a wide mean variation in both Tp (23%) and Tt (17.5%). In addition to that, 25% of patients had a maximum Tp change greater than 50% and a maximum Tt change greater than 35%.
Clinicians should be aware of this high variability in levels when deciding on dose adjustment.
 
You can estimate the peak-trough ratio based on the half-life of the testosterone ester. The estimate I use for weekly injections of testosterone cypionate is 2.5, which stems from a five-day half-life. This would put your peak at over 1,500 ng/dL. However, half-lives vary among individuals, so yours could be longer—meaning slower absorption—yielding less dramatic peaks. This is supported by your report of a drop from 1,500 ng/dL to ~1,000 ng/dL in about four days. These numbers put your half-life closer to seven days, and would reduce your predicted peak to more like 1,300 ng/dL. Your relatively high SHBG means these numbers for total testosterone are not as extreme as people might think. For example, with TT at 1,300 ng/dL and SHBG at 60 nMol/L your Vermeulen calculated free testosterone is about 23 ng/dL, which is close to the top of the healthy normal range for young men. A trough TT of 650 ng/dL puts cFTV at around 10 ng/dL, which is high enough to avoid being hypogonadal.

Shit kicker here is he was still hitting a high FT 23.9 ng/dL with a trough TT 855 ng/dL and this is with high SHBG 66 nmoL/L.

His FT was tested using the most accurate assay Equilibrium Dialysis!

When he was hitting a trough TT 650 ng/dL with high SHBG he was still hitting a high trough FT 18 ng/dL.

He stated the his FT was tested numerous times using the same assay and even with a robust trough TT and high SHBG his trough FT is high.









TESTOSTERONE, FREE

Males (adult):


20-<25 years: 5.25-20.7 ng/dL

25-<30 years: 5.05-19.8 ng/dL

30-<35 years: 4.85-19.0 ng/dL

35-<40 years: 4.65-18.1 ng/dL

40-<45 years: 4.46-17.1 ng



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Calculated using the Vermeulen method his trough FT 12.3 ng/dL would have been much lower.

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