Wanted: the benefits of HCG, but without the anxiety it gives me. Titrate dose?

[DaytonaJonah]

I personally feel terrible without HCG, but I feel bad also if I increase its dose.

The ideal dose I've found for me is 100 UI daily. I had anxiety on it the first 2 weeks I started HCG but after that it was mostly beneficial.

That's interesting to know. Perhaps there is an "adjustment" phase to be pushed through in order to find the peaceful side of hCG therapy. I may start out with 50 UI every other day for awhile and see where I find myself at. Then, bump it up a bit...and so forth, until I find a sweet spot. Yet, the last 2 times I tried hCG, it was literally a nightmare. I ended up in the ER during the first try with a massive panic attack(and I am as steady as they come!) that frightened me. The 2nd try was last year and when the panic started to show up, I dropped hCG like a hot rock.
But, I want my boys to hang naturally again and restart the hormone FSH/LH axis that I'm sure has other benefits too.
We'll see and I'll report back what happens.

 

[DaytonaJonah]

I've tried between 10-60mg. 60 is waaaay too much. 10 -20 is just right. Keeps my memory sharp and energy high. Verbal fluency and quick thinking is improved. The sixty makes me too intense and kinda like I am on speed. Hurts libido too.

I'm planning to meet with my doc in a couple of weeks to go over my latest blood work and get her opinion on adding either progesterone, or pregnenolone, or perhaps DHEA.

 

[gerardo]

Do you know if HCG in sublingual drops has any contraindications and why? I tried it for a few days and effect does, but I don't know what are the contraindications to using HCG in this way. Thanks.

 

[DaytonaJonah]

Do you know if HCG in sublingual drops has any contraindications and why? I tried it for a few days and effect does, but I don't know what are the contraindications to using HCG in this way. Thanks.

I don't know. Maybe someone else can weigh in with info on that.

 

[ivkonst2017]

That's interesting to know. Perhaps there is an "adjustment" phase to be pushed through in order to find the peaceful side of hCG therapy. I may start out with 50 UI every other day for awhile and see where I find myself at. Then, bump it up a bit...and so forth, until I find a sweet spot. Yet, the last 2 times I tried hCG, it was literally a nightmare. I ended up in the ER during the first try with a massive panic attack(and I am as steady as they come!) that frightened me. The 2nd try was last year and when the panic started to show up, I dropped hCG like a hot rock.
But, I want my boys to hang naturally again and restart the hormone FSH/LH axis that I'm sure has other benefits too.
We'll see and I'll report back what happens.

For sure there is an adjustment phase. By the way I have such phase with everything even with supplements. Initially when I start any new supplement I feel crappy from it(low energy, sleepy, anxiety but it varies for different products) until my body somehow adjusts to it and I stop feeling any effects from taking it.

With HCG was similar, but the positives remained - sensibility, more energy, more libido, proper orgasms that for me are impossible on t only. And because I dose daily and like that the half life is very short as soon as my HCG looses potency I start to feel more irritable, less energetic, libido drops and I cannot orgasm well.

Also I have noticed I feel very bad from some bacteriostatic waters as well. Took me to try 3-4 to find some that didnt give me bad sides.

My advice is to start with low daily dosing, sub-q injections are not difficult to make anyway and dont cause real scar tissue.

 

[Gman86]

For sure there is an adjustment phase. By the way I have such phase with everything even with supplements. Initially when I start any new supplement I feel crappy from it(low energy, sleepy, anxiety but it varies for different products) until my body somehow adjusts to it and I stop feeling any effects from taking it.

With HCG was similar, but the positives remained - sensibility, more energy, more libido, proper orgasms that for me are impossible on t only. And because I dose daily and like that the half life is very short as soon as my HCG looses potency I start to feel more irritable, less energetic, libido drops and I cannot orgasm well.

Also I have noticed I feel very bad from some bacteriostatic waters as well. Took me to try 3-4 to find some that didnt give me bad sides.

My advice is to start with low daily dosing, sub-q injections are not difficult to make anyway and dont cause real scar tissue.

What bacteriostatic water do u currently use?

 

[ivkonst2017]

What bacteriostatic water do u currently use?

UK Medi it is from UK

 

[DaytonaJonah]

For sure there is an adjustment phase. By the way I have such phase with everything even with supplements. Initially when I start any new supplement I feel crappy from it(low energy, sleepy, anxiety but it varies for different products) until my body somehow adjusts to it and I stop feeling any effects from taking it.

With HCG was similar, but the positives remained - sensibility, more energy, more libido, proper orgasms that for me are impossible on t only. And because I dose daily and like that the half life is very short as soon as my HCG looses potency I start to feel more irritable, less energetic, libido drops and I cannot orgasm well.

Also I have noticed I feel very bad from some bacteriostatic waters as well. Took me to try 3-4 to find some that didnt give me bad sides.

My advice is to start with low daily dosing, sub-q injections are not difficult to make anyway and dont cause real scar tissue.

Great to know it's working for you and you persevered. Good advice.

 

[ZALEMAX]

Hi all,

I have low T 285-299 my energy is low and some brain fog my joints hurts my workouts are ok but no muscle gains certainly not gaining I have actually lost 4 lbs and my weight is 150-155lbs 6ft 1"> some what ripped but very lean. While I have high thoughts about libido the physical or ED is there on low dose ci-alis 5mg made my heart speed up at night it helped but stopped taking them for now it was not a full ragging bone when on. Took me several days to get back up again.

I was looking at some responses posted here,interesting my urologist just perscribed HCG mono -therapy I have not used TRT yet or HCG yet and I never injected yet. my protocol and label reads new HCG (LYO) 12,000 IU Injectable Mix with 6ML of Bacteriostatic water subcutaneously x3 times week. (After getting the vaccine 2nd dose shot my blood pressure shot up over 150-155. and panic out. my blood pressure is much better and mostly normal or middle range.) I am to inject 0.5ML I think thats about 1,000 iu a week. I want to start HCG next week. Does this look like a good starting dose? If someone has experience good or bad about HCG or information your input is appreciated.

Thanks Zale

 

[madman]

Hi all,

I have low T 285-299 my energy is low and some brain fog my joints hurts my workouts are ok but no muscle gains certainly not gaining I have actually lost 4 lbs and my weight is 150-155lbs 6ft 1"> some what ripped but very lean. While I have high thoughts about libido the physical or ED is there on low dose ci-alis 5mg made my heart speed up at night it helped but stopped taking them for now it was not a full ragging boner when on. Took me several days to get back up again.

I was looking at some responses posted here,interesting my urologist just perscribed HCG mono -therapy I have not used TRT yet or HCG yet and I never injected yet. my protocol and label reads new HCG (LYO) 12,000 IU Injectable Mix with 6ML of Bacteriostatic water subcutaneously x3 times week. (After getting the vaccine 2nd dose shot my blood pressure shot up over 150-155. and panic out. my blood pressure is much better and mostly normal or middle range.) I am to inject 0.5ML I think thats about 1,000 iu a week. I want to start HCG next week. Does this look like a good starting dose? If someone has experience good or bad about HCG or information your input is appreciated.

Thanks Zale

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[ivkonst2017]

Hi all,

I have low T 285-299 my energy is low and some brain fog my joints hurts my workouts are ok but no muscle gains certainly not gaining I have actually lost 4 lbs and my weight is 150-155lbs 6ft 1"> some what ripped but very lean. While I have high thoughts about libido the physical or ED is there on low dose ci-alis 5mg made my heart speed up at night it helped but stopped taking them for now it was not a full ragging bone when on. Took me several days to get back up again.

I was looking at some responses posted here,interesting my urologist just perscribed HCG mono -therapy I have not used TRT yet or HCG yet and I never injected yet. my protocol and label reads new HCG (LYO) 12,000 IU Injectable Mix with 6ML of Bacteriostatic water subcutaneously x3 times week. (After getting the vaccine 2nd dose shot my blood pressure shot up over 150-155. and panic out. my blood pressure is much better and mostly normal or middle range.) I am to inject 0.5ML I think thats about 1,000 iu a week. I want to start HCG next week. Does this look like a good starting dose? If someone has experience good or bad about HCG or information your input is appreciated.

Thanks Zale

In brief, mostly the dose is too high. I would better start on 250 UI EOD.

Also most likely your testosterone will improve on HCG, but YOU WILL MOST LIKELY NOT FEEL ANY BETTER, EVEN WORSE. However your doctor will most likely not understand this and wont care how you feel - he will just look at your blood levels.

So you can try the HCG mono but dont put too much hopes on it. Prepare if it doesnt make you feel better to look for a QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED PRIVATE TRT physician, not endocrinologist from your national health care system

 

[DS3]

In brief, mostly the dose is too high. I would better start on 250 UI EOD.

Also most likely your testosterone will improve on HCG, but YOU WILL MOST LIKELY NOT FEEL ANY BETTER, EVEN WORSE. However your doctor will most likely not understand this and wont care how you feel - he will just look at your blood levels.

So you can try the HCG mono but dont put too much hopes on it. Prepare if it doesnt make you feel better to look for a QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED PRIVATE TRT physician, not endocrinologist from your national health care system

This is a non-evidence based, irresponsible response.

 

[ivkonst2017]

This is a non-evidence based, irresponsible response.

This is what happens in like 80 percent of the times. Of course there are exceptions and as I said it is worth trying, but not starting at the doses prescribed.

 

[DS3]

This is what happens in like 80 percent of the times. Of course there are exceptions and as I said it is worth trying, but not starting at the doses prescribed.

Where are you finding this statistic?

Without prior exogenous androgen exposure, as seen in Clomid research, he has an increased likelihood of experiencing positive symptom relief from HCG monotherapy as compared to men with prior exogenous androgen exposure.

Telling someone that they will or will not experience an effect during treatment has a strong ‘priming’ effect seen in research, which can derail a patients outcome as confirmation bias influences their subjective experience during treatment- this is why I said your comment was irresponsible.

 

[DixieWrecked]

In brief, mostly the dose is too high. I would better start on 250 UI EOD.

Also most likely your testosterone will improve on HCG, but YOU WILL MOST LIKELY NOT FEEL ANY BETTER, EVEN WORSE. However your doctor will most likely not understand this and wont care how you feel - he will just look at your blood levels.

So you can try the HCG mono but dont put too much hopes on it. Prepare if it doesnt make you feel better to look for a QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED PRIVATE TRT physician, not endocrinologist from your national health care system

250iu eod is not a small dose by any stretch.

 

[DS3]

250iu eod is not a small dose by any stretch.

Exogenous testosterone: a preventable cause of male infertility - Crosnoe - Translational Andrology and Urology

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[DS3]

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Exogenous testosterone: a preventable cause of male infertility - Crosnoe - Translational Andrology and Urology

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250iu eod is not a small dose by any stretch.

It would not likely be a sufficient dose to maintain elevated TT and FT when used as monotherapy.

 

[ZALEMAX]

Thanks for your responses interesting my Dr. actually first wanted me on 2,000 units 3x week but I told him that I would rather start at lower dose so he lowered HCG to 1,000 units 3x week. I have it at my ready..he also told me he would keep out for E2 or any estrogen and would prescribe an AL. at my next blood test. I want to go for it but kind of freaked out since it would be my first go at HCG mono therapy. Any further advice is appreciated.

 

[Fortunate]

DHEA is another that I cannot tolerate for some reason.
Mine is always low on or off T.
I'm trying Pregnenolone 5mg at nite.
Well see how it goes.
Sorry for some miss spelled words-had 4th eye surgery so operating on one for now.
S.J.

I am with you on DHEA. It definitely helps me sleep. But, it seems to darken my mood the next day.

 

[DaytonaJonah]

DHEA is another that I cannot tolerate for some reason.
Mine is always low on or off T.
I'm trying Pregnenolone 5mg at nite.
Well see how it goes.
Sorry for some miss spelled words-had 4th eye surgery so operating on one for now.
S.J.

S.J., any update on your use of 5mg Pregnenolone?