Nandrolone Experiences

JimGainz

Active Member
What’s ur full protocol atm? Can u put total mg’s per week for each compound if u don’t mind
It’s what I listed above - 46mg or .23ml of both Testosterone and Nandralone (200mg/ ml vial) dosed every 3 days. This comes out to around 112mg/week of each according to my calculations from the SteroidPlottter website. Beyond that I take very low AI - like .125mg on injection days and 250 IUs of HCG on injection days as well. For the new one I’m just skipping one of the Nandralone doses so I’ll be doing 46mg every 6 days (will bump to 50mg). So far I feel great on this.
 

Fortunate

Active Member
Holy Cow. Anyone here have the Cliff Notes to this thread?!? Recently discussed Nandrolone with Defy. Considering it for a few reasons, but, man, this thread is looonggg!
 

Gman86

Member
MENT probably has every single benefit of Nandrolone and more, without the sides.
Nandrolone is a drug of the past.

Ment helps with joints?

Also, one benefit of nandrolone is that it produces extremely little E2, but can increase free androgens and also help with putting on lean mass. Isn’t Ment one of the most aromatizing anabolics out there? They might be similar in many ways, but this is just a big difference I see between the two. Just wanted to point it out.

Nandrolone seems to be one of the best anabolics for people that have high E2 issues. Ment seems to be the worst. But obv a very good compound for guys that don’t aromatize enough, I would imagine
 

Fortunate

Active Member
Ment helps with joints?

Also, one benefit of nandrolone is that it produces extremely little E2, but can increase free androgens and also help with putting on lean mass. Isn’t Ment one of the most aromatizing anabolics out there? They might be similar in many ways, but this is just a big difference I see between the two. Just wanted to point it out.

Nandrolone seems to be one of the best anabolics for people that have high E2 issues. Ment seems to be the worst. But obv a very good compound for guys that don’t aromatize enough, I would imagine
@Gman86, can I ask for an updated opinion on nandrolone? I intend to plow through what's written here to gain greater insight on it. I started at page 1 and so far, am only on page 7! Most of what I have read so far has been back and forth between you and @DS3.

I ask because on a call with Defy the other day, my provider brought it up as an option. Without any form of TRT, I feel tired, run down. But, I have a ton of issues tolerating most forms of TRT. I have posted in several threads that I consistently experience unacceptable side effects with just about everything besides Natesto and hCG. I categorize my lack of tolerance into two categories: (1) typical TRT sides that many guys experience, and (2) migraine/headache issues that only I get. I have a long history of headaches, and I have limited tolerance to tinkering. It's the second category that has plagued me when trying to find a TRT "sweet spot".

In the end, I can accept Natesto/hCG as my long term solution. BUT, I am missing a few key benefits with this regimen: it does very little for libido and it does not appear to have any anabolic benefit. Anabolic is my lowest priority, but I do believe there is benefit in improved lean body mass that TRT offers. I also think that injections and maybe cream help my various musculoskeletal ailments (nothing serious, but a lot of tendon soreness).

I have been working to try to figure out what triggers my headaches, and theories include: ester, oil, preservatives, absolute T levels, transitioning T levels or downstream metabolites. If anyone wants to know how I have been tracking these variables, I am happy to post details, but I don't want to bore you with them.

Long story short, on my call with Defy, we postulated that one possible explanation for the headache issue is not so much what is happening with T levels, rather perhaps it is downstream metabolites causing the problems. Therefore, nandrolone was proposed as an option to supplement my regimen to gain the anabolic benefit without bumping DHT or estrogen, etc.

On one hand, I am trying to simplify my regimen, but this suggestion intrigued me. I am considering it, but before I do, I need some good ole-fashioned bro science to help me feel good about it!

@Cataceous, I saw you weigh in during the early discussion. Do you have an updated opinion?

I am not 100% decided yet, but if I tried this approach, ideally, I would use it to supplement Natesto. Not sure if that's ever been tried in anyone, and not sure it makes sense.

Thanks for listening!
 

Zibernet

Active Member
Ment helps with joints?

Also, one benefit of nandrolone is that it produces extremely little E2, but can increase free androgens and also help with putting on lean mass. Isn’t Ment one of the most aromatizing anabolics out there? They might be similar in many ways, but this is just a big difference I see between the two. Just wanted to point it out.

Nandrolone seems to be one of the best anabolics for people that have high E2 issues. Ment seems to be the worst. But obv a very good compound for guys that don’t aromatize enough, I would imagine

I'm crippled by low e2, I have always wanted to try Dbol to help with that, apparently people get euphoria from it.
But orals, never.
Ment is apparently similar to dbol in effects, much stronger.
It's always made me highly curious.
 

Stpfan

Member
Just curious.... how do you combat being wired and can't sleep on Nandrolone? I was only taking around 70mg a week. I couldn't sleep at all! Nandrolone clearly has positives... especially for ED issues and extra girth. But, if you can't get a good night's sleep... what's the point???

Anyone figure out how to get sleep while taking Nandrolone? And caffeine isn't an issue why I can't sleep. I hardly get any caffeine. It's clearly the Nandrolone. Thanks.
 

S1W

Active Member
My 2 cents ...I added nandrolone to my protocol a month ago and it has not gone well. I don't know if it is just me, but I have noticed a marked increase in agitation, irritability, and anxiety. I inject 2 x a week, weekly total of 150mg cypionate, 400 HCG, and 50 mg nandrolone. I was feeling great, prior to use. I'm planning to discontinue this week.

The nandrolone was added due to joint pain. Not worth it in my opinion.

I feel the same way on Nandrolone. I notice that my relationships suffer when I have tried it. I am more defensive, and more on the look out for people getting one over on me instead of being happy and in the moment. My mood in general is more depresed and anxious. I have some sitting here in the medicine cabinet but I won't ever use it because I know how it will feel and effect my thoughts.

Similar experiences here.
 

DS3

Well-Known Member
@Gman86, can I ask for an updated opinion on nandrolone? I intend to plow through what's written here to gain greater insight on it. I started at page 1 and so far, am only on page 7! Most of what I have read so far has been back and forth between you and @DS3.

I ask because on a call with Defy the other day, my provider brought it up as an option. Without any form of TRT, I feel tired, run down. But, I have a ton of issues tolerating most forms of TRT. I have posted in several threads that I consistently experience unacceptable side effects with just about everything besides Natesto and hCG. I categorize my lack of tolerance into two categories: (1) typical TRT sides that many guys experience, and (2) migraine/headache issues that only I get. I have a long history of headaches, and I have limited tolerance to tinkering. It's the second category that has plagued me when trying to find a TRT "sweet spot".

In the end, I can accept Natesto/hCG as my long term solution. BUT, I am missing a few key benefits with this regimen: it does very little for libido and it does not appear to have any anabolic benefit. Anabolic is my lowest priority, but I do believe there is benefit in improved lean body mass that TRT offers. I also think that injections and maybe cream help my various musculoskeletal ailments (nothing serious, but a lot of tendon soreness).

I have been working to try to figure out what triggers my headaches, and theories include: ester, oil, preservatives, absolute T levels, transitioning T levels or downstream metabolites. If anyone wants to know how I have been tracking these variables, I am happy to post details, but I don't want to bore you with them.

Long story short, on my call with Defy, we postulated that one possible explanation for the headache issue is not so much what is happening with T levels, rather perhaps it is downstream metabolites causing the problems. Therefore, nandrolone was proposed as an option to supplement my regimen to gain the anabolic benefit without bumping DHT or estrogen, etc.

On one hand, I am trying to simplify my regimen, but this suggestion intrigued me. I am considering it, but before I do, I need some good ole-fashioned bro science to help me feel good about it!

@Cataceous, I saw you weigh in during the early discussion. Do you have an updated opinion?

I am not 100% decided yet, but if I tried this approach, ideally, I would use it to supplement Natesto. Not sure if that's ever been tried in anyone, and not sure it makes sense.

Thanks for listening!
Throwing my two pennies into the mix…you won’t know how you will react to nandrolone until you try it. There are several examples in this forum and this thread in particular who love nandrolone. Counter to that, there are several other people here that do not respond well to it.
 

JimGainz

Active Member
Throwing my two pennies into the mix…you won’t know how you will react to nandrolone until you try it. There are several examples in this forum and this thread in particular who love nandrolone. Counter to that, there are several other people here that do not respond well to it.
Exactly. It’s kind of like discussing HCG - some men do great on it and others hate it. If someone has joint issues I don’t see the harm in adding 50-80 mg nandralone to their protocol for 2 months to see how they feel. I love the stuff - joint relieve plus a little bit of an anabolic boost with the Testosterone.
 

Cataceous

Super Moderator
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@Cataceous, I saw you weigh in during the early discussion. Do you have an updated opinion?
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Only to count me as one who doesn't react well to nandrolone, even at the minuscule dose of 1 mg per day (NPP). This was about 20% of the amount of testosterone esters I was taking in addition. It seemed to be quite disruptive, correlating with worsening mood, libido and sexual function. I was disappointed, as I'd thought using NPP would be a way to slightly dial back the estrogenic and androgenic activity of my protocol.
 

Fortunate

Active Member
@Cataceous, I have not personally read the myriad of studies on nandrolone out there, but I have been following the bro science. This seems to be a polarizing hormone. I am curious how you got yourself comfortable with trying nandrolone? What are your thoughts on how it impacts cardiovascular health? I assume you vetted the hormone thoroughly before trialing it?

I ask because I was briefly hopeful it may be a useful piece of the puzzle I am trying to solve (getting full spectrum of TRT benefit without getting headaches). During my most recent consult with Defy, my physician brought up nandrolone because we think that possibly some of my trouble with TRT may be related to metabolites as opposed to testosterone itself. The thinking was that since nandrolone does not produce the same downstream hormones as testosterone, perhaps it would be less likely to trigger headaches.

I have since been perusing forums (and admittedly have not independently read the literature) and I have gotten a bit spooked, particularly by the cardiovascular implications. Curious how you got yourself comfortable with it.
 

DS3

Well-Known Member
@Cataceous, I have not personally read the myriad of studies on nandrolone out there, but I have been following the bro science. This seems to be a polarizing hormone. I am curious how you got yourself comfortable with trying nandrolone? What are your thoughts on how it impacts cardiovascular health? I assume you vetted the hormone thoroughly before trialing it?

I ask because I was briefly hopeful it may be a useful piece of the puzzle I am trying to solve (getting full spectrum of TRT benefit without getting headaches). During my most recent consult with Defy, my physician brought up nandrolone because we think that possibly some of my trouble with TRT may be related to metabolites as opposed to testosterone itself. The thinking was that since nandrolone does not produce the same downstream hormones as testosterone, perhaps it would be less likely to trigger headaches.

I have since been perusing forums (and admittedly have not independently read the literature) and I have gotten a bit spooked, particularly by the cardiovascular implications. Curious how you got yourself comfortable with it.
For balancing testosterone’s metabolites, progesterone would be just as effective.
 

Fortunate

Active Member
For balancing testosterone’s metabolites, progesterone would be just as effective.
I have read the bro science on this, too. Listened to the Youtube webinars posted elsewhere in this forum and was really turned off by authoritative delivery of information. Zero conclusions from listening to the "lecture". (ie, "DHEA and Progesterone can make you tired. If not, it can make you energized...").

Would love to hear more details on how you think progesterone works in this context.
 

Cataceous

Super Moderator
@Cataceous, ... I am curious how you got yourself comfortable with trying nandrolone? What are your thoughts on how it impacts cardiovascular health? I assume you vetted the hormone thoroughly before trialing it?
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Curious how you got yourself comfortable with it.
Various factors: The dose makes the poison, and since I'd never take more in nandrolone than about half my TRT dose, that's at most a few milligrams a day. I'm not too worried about cardiovascular effects in short term use of such a low dose. In contrast, Defy is prescribing relatively huge doses to all and sundry. I also chose phenylpropionate rather than decanoate so that it would be gone in a few days if I didn't like it. In hindsight this was a good move.
 

DS3

Well-Known Member
I have read the bro science on this, too. Listened to the Youtube webinars posted elsewhere in this forum and was really turned off by authoritative delivery of information. Zero conclusions from listening to the "lecture". (ie, "DHEA and Progesterone can make you tired. If not, it can make you energized...").

Would love to hear more details on how you think progesterone works in this context.
This study was to examine indirectly the effect of endogenous progesterone, a known competitor for 5 alpha-reductase…

This study noted progesterone’s antagonistic effect on 5 AR.


Progesterone functions as a precursor in men to produce testosterone while also acting as a balance to decrease estrogen levels. Progesterone is produced by men’s adrenal glands and testes…

This article discusses progesterone as a balancing hormone to estrogen.


Now, these two articles are simply intended to show that there is some evidence that progesterone helps to balance DHT and estrogen. Alongside these small, almost insignificant findings are the empirical results based on anecdotes of men experiencing lower rates of DHT and estrogen related side effects from TRT while using progesterone.
 

Fortunate

Active Member
This study was to examine indirectly the effect of endogenous progesterone, a known competitor for 5 alpha-reductase…

This study noted progesterone’s antagonistic effect on 5 AR.


Progesterone functions as a precursor in men to produce testosterone while also acting as a balance to decrease estrogen levels. Progesterone is produced by men’s adrenal glands and testes…

This article discusses progesterone as a balancing hormone to estrogen.


Now, these two articles are simply intended to show that there is some evidence that progesterone helps to balance DHT and estrogen. Alongside these small, almost insignificant findings are the empirical results based on anecdotes of men experiencing lower rates of DHT and estrogen related side effects from TRT while using progesterone.
Interesting. Will take a look. I assume you are using progesterone? If so, mind sharing how you are taking it? Oral or topical? Micronized or standard? Dose?

Thanks.
 

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