TRT and HCG

[greenwaters]

Is it necessary to take TRT without ever coming off it? Or should one come off it, and just do HCG or Clomid? I see many guys in here saying they have stopped, to give the body a chance to produce on its own, however, I dont think this would be beneficial to me, since I suffer from a pituitary tumor, and that axis is broken anyway. Also, did anyone feel better when starting HCG? I been on trt for about 3 months, and felt great at first, but now Im tired, depressed, and just fatigue. labs showed no estrogen last month, so I assume I crashed them. I only took a AI like twice for a total of .5x2 Im waiting on the HCG and hoping this helps my problem. I probably could have honestly benefited from the HCG alone, since my body was having a hard time producing LH anyway. Thanks for the feedback, and I appreciate you guys response's.

 

[Systemlord]

It sounds more like you are having problems dialing in and are on too much anastrozole, maybe you'll find no dose will work well and manipulate you injection frequency to dial in.


If your HPTA is broke than clomid and HCG will do nothing to restore natural production.

 

[greenwaters]

It sounds more like you are having problems dialing in and are on too much anastrozole, maybe you'll find no dose will work well and manipulate you injection frequency to dial in.


As far as is it necessary to take TRT without ever coming off it, you answered your own question since your HPTA is broke.

2 doses of anstazole tanked my E2? Thats all I took, cause after the 2nd dose I started feeling funny, and wanted to wait for labs. Good thing I did. Ordered HCG 2 weeks ago, and should be here anyday now, and hoping this helps the problem. I guess my question about staying on trt and not evber taking a break, could that cause health problems?

 

[Systemlord]

Most guys start out at .125mg anastrozole, 0.050 was too much anastrozole for me, some are AI over responders.

 

[greenwaters]

So I basically tanked it. Does it come back up on its own, or is HCG the only way? I never stopped injections, since low estrogen lab work.

 

[Systemlord]

So I basically tanked it. Does it come back up on its own, or is HCG the only way? I never stopped injections, since low estrogen lab work.

Once the anastrozole wears off, estrogen should increase within a week, however if may take longer for joints to recover. However HCG produces estrogen inside the testicles and isn't affected by anastrozole.

 

[Vince Carter]

Please be more specific, the actual lab test/the range/etc etc

Based on feeling low and high can have similar symptoms. While I agree that .5mg is a lot for most guys at one time, two doses was unlikely to have really upset things really bad for you.

labs showed no estrogen last month

 

[greenwaters]

Please be more specific, the actual lab test/the range/etc etc

Based on feeling low and high can have similar symptoms. While I agree that .5mg is a lot for most guys at one time, two doses was unlikely to have really upset things really bad for you.

Hey Vince, thanks for replying. I posted labs before, but I will go again.

My Total Test-1128
Free Test=36.25
SHBG=17.6
Albumin=4.3
Estradiol=<25
Estradiol Ultrasenstive=6

My doctor says the same thing, that a dose of .5 twice, wouldnt have tanked it. We think it was low end, befor starting treatment, and likely due to my pituiary tumor. I didnt test my estrogen, until after I started injections.

 

[abe]

Your estrogen is extremely low, why did you ever use an AI in the first place. It will take time for you to recover from the effects of your low estrogen.

 

[greenwaters]

Your estrogen is extremely low, why did you ever use an AI in the first place. It will take time for you to recover from the effects of your low estrogen.

I thought I was high, based on symptoms, and I wasnt. I know stupid, without doing labs.

 

[abe]

I thought I was high, based on symptoms, and I wasnt. I know stupid, without doing labs.

Like everyone says, trt is a learning experience. It's great that we have this form, to learn from each other.

 

[Vince Carter]

Hey Vince, thanks for replying. I posted labs before, but I will go again.

My Total Test-1128
Free Test=36.25
SHBG=17.6
Albumin=4.3
Estradiol=<25
Estradiol Ultrasenstive=6

My doctor says the same thing, that a dose of .5 twice, wouldnt have tanked it. We think it was low end, befor starting treatment, and likely due to my pituiary tumor. I didnt test my estrogen, until after I started injections.

Given your SHBG is ~17 its unlikely as far as I'm concerned that your real E is shown just in those numbers. Just as we know SHBG binds to Test, it binds to E as well so you could plausibly assume that while your Free T is very high, you like wise have a value of Free Estrogen (not tested) that is likewise elevated.
Too remember that you test in a trough and looking at your result this is only your lowest point, there is a trough, and there is a peak, to be considered. This number is not static/stable.