Semaglutide Forum: Game Changer for Weight Loss

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Mark A. Moyad, MD, MPH & Martin M. Miner, MD, discuss the potential benefits of semaglutide, a newly approved weight-loss drug.

Introduction: The Road to Real Weight Loss Solutions​


Host:
This is another great segment with Dr. Marty Miner — physician extraordinaire, clinical professor of Family Medicine and Urology at Miriam Hospital, and one of the pioneering minds behind a legitimate men's health center at a major institution. He’s been doing this for decades, focusing on helping men improve their health—both mentally and physically.


If anyone has questions about men's health centers, Dr. Miner is always on my shortlist of experts.

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The "Roadkill" of Past Weight Loss Drugs​


Host:
In this segment—one of our last together—I want to talk about weight loss. But more specifically, I want to title it: "The Roadkill That Was: The Damage of U.S. Weight Loss Drugs Until Recently."

Let me explain. I jotted down a list of past weight loss drugs that have come and gone:

  • CNS stimulants (still around, but risky)
  • Lipase inhibitors (like over-the-counter Orlistat)
  • Opioid antagonists with amino ketones
  • Sympathomimetics
  • And, of course, sibutramine — marketed as Meridia. Huge global drug, then pulled for raising blood pressure and stroke risk.

Over my 30-year career, I’ve never been excited about pharmaceutical weight loss solutions. They all came with strings attached—sure, you might lose weight, but at what cardiovascular cost? You’d think weight loss would help the heart, but not with these meds.


Dr. Miner:
Absolutely. They were almost all stimulants—phentermine, fen-phen—they created a hypermetabolic, hyperdynamic state. People felt like they were on Adderall. Sure, they’d lose 5–6% of their weight, but their blood pressure would skyrocket. Long-term, it was unsustainable and dangerous.


Host:
Exactly. I don’t even want to give them credit. They were ineffective and definitely not heart-healthy.


Enter the “Game Changer”: Semaglutide (Wegovy)​


Host:
Now let’s pivot to something different—Wegovy, or semaglutide. Did I say that right?


Dr. Miner:
Yes, that’s correct.


Host:
People are calling it a "game changer." I know that’s an overused term, but this time, it feels justified. The average weight loss is over 15%. That’s massive. For comparison, most older drugs gave you 5% weight loss—if you were lucky.


Dr. Miner:
That’s right. In fact, Wegovy shows 15–18% weight loss in studies running over 68 weeks with more than 4,500 participants. It’s extraordinarily safe and more effective than anything we’ve seen before, even rivaling bariatric surgery.


What’s more compelling is that the lower-dose version used in diabetics improves not just weight, but also cardiovascular and renal outcomes. These benefits are currently being studied in non-diabetics as well.


A Metabolic Revolution with Broader Benefits​


Dr. Miner:
What we have now is a medication that doesn’t just reduce weight—it improves almost every metric of metabolic syndrome:


  • Blood pressure
  • Lipids
  • Insulin resistance
  • Weight

And it's administered just once a week via subcutaneous injection. An oral version also exists (Rybelsus), though we don’t yet know if it has the same effectiveness.


Host:
Wow. I don’t often see you endorse medications like this, so if you're saying this might be the real deal, I take notice.


Dr. Miner:
It truly is. It’s also an opportunity to change how we talk about obesity. Instead of labeling someone an “obese 45-year-old male,” we need to say “a male with obesity.” Language matters. We’ve stigmatized obesity and discouraged people from seeking help. This medication could be a safe, non-invasive alternative to surgery.


Barriers: Cost and Access​


Host:
Here’s where I still have concerns: cost. It’s nearly $900/month out of pocket, and most insurance doesn’t cover it—yet. It was only FDA approved in June, and insurers typically lag by about two years before updating formularies.


Dr. Miner:
Exactly. If insurers understood the full-spectrum benefits of a 15% weight reduction, they’d see the long-term savings in chronic disease management. But for now, cost and limited coverage are major barriers.


Host:
That 15% is incredible. Take a 300-pound person—that’s 45 pounds off. And we haven’t even discussed the hormonal impacts. You must be curious about what this kind of weight loss does to testosterone levels.


Dr. Miner:
Absolutely. Bariatric surgery has shown that testosterone levels can increase by several hundred points in some men. I'd love to study whether semaglutide offers similar hormonal benefits without surgery.


Broader Health Outcomes: Beyond the Scale​


Host:
Coincidentally, this same week the Cleveland Clinic published data showing that significant weight loss from bariatric surgery lowers risk of:


  • Hospitalization
  • Supplemental oxygen needs
  • Severe COVID-19

So the weight loss benefits are not just cosmetic—they're life-saving.


Dr. Miner:
Yes, and if semaglutide can replicate those outcomes, it’ll revolutionize how we treat obesity—not just in endocrinology but across specialties like urology, cardiology, and mental health.


Looking Ahead: More Research, More Hope​


Host:
You really think this is the first pharmacologic weight-loss tool that lives up to the hype?


Dr. Miner:
Yes. Though it's injectable, it's manageable. Oral GLP-1 agonists may eventually catch up. But for now, this is the first option that combines efficacy with safety and could be used beyond diabetes management.


Host:
And to be clear, this wasn’t done in isolation. In the trials, participants were also asked to:


  • Reduce caloric intake by 500/day
  • Do 150 minutes of exercise/week

So this drug augments healthy habits—it doesn’t replace them.


Dr. Miner:
Exactly. Diet and exercise remain critical to longevity. But this is the first tool that delivers substantial weight loss in a predictable, measurable way.


Final Thoughts: A New Era for Weight Management​


Host:
Dr. Miner, thank you for helping me introduce this compound. I usually poke fun at weight-loss pharmacology, but I can’t this time. It’s the first medication that seems to pass every test—safety, efficacy, long-term benefits.


Dr. Miner:
I’m with you. I hope more physicians begin exploring it, especially in specialties like urology, where metabolic health and hormonal health are so closely tied.


Host:
Absolutely. Thanks again, Dr. Miner. I’ll see you at the next conference—we’ll talk more controversies then.

Semaglutide is a medication that has been approved by the FDA to treat type 2 diabetes and has also been approved for obesity management under the brand name Wegovy [1][3]. It helps with weight loss by suppressing appetite, which can lead to a reduced intake of food [2].



Semaglutide works by mimicking a hormone called glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1), which is naturally produced by the body. GLP-1 plays a role in regulating blood sugar levels and appetite. Semaglutide affects several processes in the body, including increasing the release of insulin, reducing the release of glucagon, and delaying gastric emptying [2].

The increase in insulin helps lower high blood sugar, while the reduction in glucagon release also contributes to better blood sugar control. Delaying gastric emptying means that food stays in the stomach for a longer time, which can help with satiety and decrease appetite [2].

The typical dose of semaglutide for weight loss is 2.4 milligrams, administered weekly as subcutaneous (under the skin) self-injections [3]. While semaglutide has shown promising results in weight loss, it is important to note that its effectiveness is dependent on continued use, and some experts are skeptical about its long-term safety and limitations [1].

In semaglutide studies, participants experienced significant weight loss. In one clinical trial, participants who received semaglutide lost 5% or more, 10% or more, 15% or more, and 20% or more of their baseline body weight at week 68, compared to those who received a placebo [1]. On average, participants taking semaglutide lost 15% of their body weight [2]. Some individuals lost as much as 40 pounds while participating in a clinical trial of the drug [2].

In another study, after 68 weeks of treatment, the semaglutide group lost an average of 16% of their baseline body weight, equal to 37 pounds. This was compared to a 5.7% average weight loss, or 14 pounds, for those assigned to intensive behavioral therapy combined with a placebo [3]. These results demonstrate the significant weight loss potential of semaglutide in clinical trials.

There are a few ways to save on semaglutide for weight loss, which is available as the brand-name medication Wegovy. One option is to use a copay savings card from the manufacturer. If you have commercial insurance, you may be eligible to pay as little as $25 for Wegovy using this savings card [1]. More information about the copay savings card and other coverage options can be found on the Wegovy website [2].

It's important to note that the cost of Wegovy before insurance is around $1,627 per month, and coverage for weight loss drugs like Wegovy can vary widely depending on the type of insurance you have and your location [3]. The $25 copay card provided by the manufacturer may help ease the cost, but only if your insurance plan covers the medication [3].

A more affordable way to get semaglutide when insurance does not pay is to have your doctor fax a prescription to a compounding pharmacy like EmpowerPharmacy.com. Their price runs approximately $350 per month.
 
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Lets face it.....the history of weight loss drugs has been horrible.


Lets just go ahead and throw 2,4-Dinitrophenol into the mix. It is still being used.

 
Lets face it.....the history of weight loss drugs has been horrible.


Lets just go ahead and throw 2,4-Dinitrophenol into the mix. It is still being used.


I'm sure if Pharma could find a way to sustainably manage the side effects DNP would be selling like hot cakes.
 
It sells pretty well in the black market:) (weight loss of up to 1.5 kg per week is reported without significant side effects"....Here is another one that is still very much available....Sibutramine (Reductil™ Abbott Laboratories) and phentermine....which seems to be being replaced by Semaglutide.
 
10 years ago I was 320 lb and >35% BF. Took about 1 year to drop 100 pounds and of course another few years to do a proper body recomp. Add in TRT in 2018 and now I sit at about 240 lb and 8-10% BF. This is a marathon not a sprint. These obesity pharma interventions will end in tears. Take the time to find what works for you and your body. In my case it is low carb and either full blown keto (Phase 1 fat loss) or higher protein medium fat (Phase 2 muscle gain while maintaining low BF). Lots of veggies. Yes to the mainstream I am now looked at as having the eating disorder. That's how screwed up our food system is now.

Good luck.
 
So I was on Wegovy (Semaglutide) for about 1 year, lost 35 lbs. The initial side effects were a pain but manageable. I titrated up to the max 2.4 dosage. My issue became elevated heart rate and PVC’s (Skipped heart beats). I stopped in December at the recommendation of my cardiologist and they went away completely. We are talking like 20 beats per minute increase in resting heart rate.

Anyone else experience these heart related side effects? The medicine is a miracle. Cuts appetite and cravings in an unbelievable way. I want to try Mounjaro (different formulation) but concerned because it’s still a GLP -1 agonist.



Would love to hear if anyone else had or solved these issues?



Thanks for sharing your experience. I will take a hard pass. Imagine guy already overdoing it on TOT and then adding in the GLP1 agonist. Sounds like a ride I don't want to get on.

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Thanks for sharing your experience. I will take a hard pass. Imagine guy already overdoing it on TOT and then adding in the GLP1 agonist. Sounds like a ride I don't want to get on.

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@readalot - Thanks for posting the study. I will share with my Endo. He actually looked up while I was in the office. Heart side effects of semaglutude and all he said was very rare.
 

Thanks for sharing your experience. I will take a hard pass. Imagine guy already overdoing it on TOT and then adding in the GLP1 agonist. Sounds like a ride I don't want to get on.

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Just my experience. 2 years of Semaglutide @ 1mg a week. RHR at start was 68, currently 58.

Also liraglutide from that study is a daily injection.
 
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So what would be the plan....stay on GLP-1 agonist indefinitely?

My wife has been taking Semaglutide for a few months and is down about 25-30 lbs without any of the unpleasant gastric side effects. Her doc told her that when she reaches her target weight that she would be switched to a maintenance dose. I don't know whether that means the same dosage less frequently or a lower weekly dosage, nor do we know what will be recommended for overall duration. But it sounds like her doctor is leaning towards "indefinitely".
 
Well done! Current pics?

Look like last pic today (a little leaner):


Will delete later as I don't like these floating out there for long. But if it helps encourage and avoid disappointment with GLP-1 agonist then I will take a little risk.


Did it in two Phases:
 
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My wife has been taking Semaglutide for a few months and is down about 25-30 lbs without any of the unpleasant gastric side effects. Her doc told her that when she reaches her target weight that she would be switched to a maintenance dose. I don't know whether that means the same dosage less frequently or a lower weekly dosage, nor do we know what will be recommended for overall duration. But it sounds like her doctor is leaning towards "indefinitely".
I did a fair amount of investigation into Semaglutide before I went on it. Spent A LOT of time on the various ******** groups, forums etc. From my observations there are 2 responses to Semaglutide

1 Absolute horror, nausea, vomiting, pain, headaches, can't sleep, heart issues, basically the experience is torture. It starts with the lowest dose and these people just can't tolerate the drug at all and go off it.

2 Almost no side effects, or very very limited side effects. Nothing but positive effects. The weight seems to just melt off.

There isn't really an in between from the experiences I've seen. Either it works or you feel like your al qaeda in Gitmo in 2002.
 
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Look like last pic today (a little leaner

Thats fantastic! I missed the earlier thread where you posted it.

I always pictured you to be this nerd reading studies in his basement (subconsciously your name alluded to that mental impression), nice to finally be able to see that the real @readalot is actually the real deal! (as far as a "high T" look is concerned, which is the ultimate judge of knowledge being put into practise). It certainly gives a lot of credence that what you preach is not wrong.

Respect!
 
Thats fantastic! I missed the earlier thread where you posted it.

I always pictured you to be this nerd reading studies in his basement (subconsciously your name alluded to that mental impression), nice to finally be able to see that the real @readalot is actually the real deal! (as far as a "high T" look is concerned, which is the ultimate judge of knowledge being put into practise). It certainly gives a lot of credence that what you preach is not wrong.

Respect!

Thanks for the kind words. Regarding the Nerd reading studies...you got me haha!

To your point one really doesn't know who they are talking to on the other end of the screen. That's why I never was a big fan of credentials and all that on the forums. Folks should judge based on the information presented and decide for themselves. But I understand a pic is helpful sometimes.

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Remember, when clinical trials last one year never be early adopter for miracle drugs when other less sexy methods will work just fine.


The risk of chronic intestinal obstruction in humans cumulates over time, with the highest occurrence appearing 1.6 years following GLP-1RA treatment5. However, clinical trials on GLP-1RAs usually do not last for more than a year and relevant studies revealed that the incidence of constipation is independent of short-term doses of GLP-1RAs14. We thus extracted a plot of the relationship between the incidence of constipation and the duration of treatment for four GLP-1RAs (Fig. 2) using the data from high-quality randomized controlled clinical trials. The result indicates that constipation was positively correlated with the duration of therapy (r2 = 0.8–0.9).

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Figure 2. The incidence of drug-induced constipation correlated with time from the data of four different doses of glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists in 11 randomized and placebo controlled clinical studies15-25.

Since intestinal obstruction is a fatal condition that requires surgery, clinicians should be aware that the emergence of chronic adverse events of GLP-1RAs may involve the small intestine. If the underlying cause of which remains unknown, erroneous inferences will likely to be drawn. This is of particular importance as the use of GLP-1RAs in treating multiple disorders is expanding tremendously.


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I hope it doesn't turn out like this but this was what I thought about when I first heard of the latest miracle:


For this too young to remember or know about this.


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Risk / benefit must always be strongly considered.
 

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