Restart without meds?

[shilda]

Would it be harmful to stop TRT after 1year, and see if my body will restart on its own? Has anyone tried this, or is it only possible with meds?

 

[CoastWatcher]

Why do you want to do this? After a year, your system has been totally shut down - no natural production of testosterone. A restart, even under a doctor's care, is not a given. To think your body will naturally begin producing testosterone on its own is, well, fanciful.

 

[shilda]

I just don't like the idea of taking new drugs, but if I have to, I have too.

 

[Vince]

Would it be harmful to stop TRT after 1year, and see if my body will restart on its own? Has anyone tried this, or is it only possible with meds?

What was your levels before TRT, I also believe age will play a role. I do think you can restart on your own, the only way you will know for sure is by trying.

 

[HoustonTX]

Why do you want to do this? After a year, your system has been totally shut down - no natural production of testosterone. A restart, even under a doctor's care, is not a given. To think your body will naturally begin producing testosterone on its own is, well, fanciful.

I disagree. I have spoken with 2 docs that say that a restart is always possible and the likelihood that you will not be able to restart is closer to fanciful. I have restarted myself. It was miserable though, and I don't recommend. There is a national TRT clinic out there that has a specific program for it. It's mostly for body builders who don't have low T naturally. Some T clinics recommend a restart at a point.

 

[shilda]

So it wouldn't hurt to try, and if not successful, do it under a doctors care with meds? My starting level was 400, not too low, but low enough to cause me to try TRT.

 

[ERO]

I would call Defy Medical and talk to them. My 2-cents - Don't try a restart without a restart protocol. I *might* work, but why risk it?

 

[HoustonTX]

Why do you want to attempt a restart? If you do, I wouldn't do it without meds, hcg and chlomid are needed for a restart. Dr. scallys protocol has been proven effective. Doing it under medical supervision is always preferable. I know that IMT has a specific program for it, but it's not cheap. Even they recommend that you take semorelin while restarting just to lessen how miserable you will feel

 

[HoustonTX]

Not sure I understand the reasoning behind a restart if your natural level was 400, unless you felt better at 400 than on TRT

 

[shilda]

Too many side effects: insomnia, anxiety, hematocrit, BPH, etc. It's too much to handle. I felt better with Test at 400 begfore TRT.

 

[Vince]

Too many side effects: insomnia, anxiety, hematocrit, BPH, etc. It's too much to handle. I felt better with Test at 400 begfore TRT.

If you really want to try, go for it and keep us updated.

 

[shilda]

Ok, thanks for your support.

 

[CoastWatcher]

Would you let us know the protocol you were following that resulted in the problems you mentioned? Were you working with a physician who understood TRT best practices, and treated you as a partner in the battle?

 

[shilda]

My Dr. is a NP who specializes in TRT, and I think he is good. Prescribed Test Cyp, HCG, and Anastrazol. I had started at 200mg a week, and felt great, but my TT was over 1500. I am now at 120mg a week, TT is 1060, and E2 was 43. I did not feel good, and my Dr. adjusted my AI .5mg-.75mg to dial me in. It has been several months now, and it is still bad. I want it to work, but not sure what else can be done.

 

[CoastWatcher]

My Dr. is a NP who specializes in TRT, and I think he is good. Prescribed Test Cyp, HCG, and Anastrazol. I had started at 200mg a week, and felt great, but my TT was over 1500. I am now at 120mg a week, TT is 1060, and E2 was 43. I did not feel good, and my Dr. adjusted my AI .5mg-.75mg to dial me in. It has been several months now, and it is still bad. I want it to work, but not sure what else can be done.

You could split your dose, 60mg every 3.5 days. Many of the top doctors in the field, and lots of members here, believe smaller doses, more frequently, produce better results. Consider it.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Why do you want to do this? After a year, your system has been totally shut down - no natural production of testosterone. A restart, even under a doctor's care, is not a given. To think your body will naturally begin producing testosterone on its own is, well, fanciful.

I would also disagree with this as the body is pretty good at returning to homeostasis. I quit cold Turkey after 5 weeks and was back to baseline within weeks, I know a guy who documented coming off cold turkey after almost 2 years on TRT bydoing posture exercises in the gym and went from 0 to 200 very quickly then from 200 to 675 TT within a few months. You will most likely go back to your baseline but help your body out by lifting weights, getting enough macros, sleep, avoiding toxins etc.

 

[Helboi]

I would also disagree with this as the body is pretty good at returning to homeostasis. I quit cold Turkey after 5 weeks and was back to baseline within weeks, I know a guy who documented coming off cold turkey after almost 2 years on TRT bydoing posture exercises in the gym and went from 0 to 200 very quickly then from 200 to 675 TT within a few months. You will most likely go back to your baseline but help your body out by lifting weights, getting enough macros, sleep, avoiding toxins etc.

If you're on TRT, your baseline is terrible to begin with, which is why you're on TRT...so why would you want to go back there? Mine was 61...would never want to be anywhere near that number again.

 

[Vitamin_C]

If you're on TRT, your baseline is terrible to begin with, which is why you're on TRT...so why would you want to go back there? Mine was 61...would never want to be anywhere near that number again.

Depends on your baseline. Mine was high 400's to low 500's which isn't ideal but its also not terrible. If I had to come off TRT or decide to in the future, I am ok with returning back to baseline. A baseline of 61 represents some serious endocrine dysfunction, are you primary are secondary?

 

[Helboi]

A baseline of 61 represents some serious endocrine dysfunction, are you primary are secondary?

Secondary. Not sure the exact reasons, but I was on opiate therapy for chronic pain for 6-7 years (no longer), so surely that's part of it. Also had a head injury as a child and I've always wondered what it might have contributed to my mood disorder issues (and now to hypogonadism).

 

[Vitamin_C]

Opiates will do it, I know another guy who had really low T levels because of opiate usage for chronic back pain. I believe that with the right combination of lifestyle change, diet and nutrition you can get those numbers up. I went from 199 to 519 by diet/life style changes, it is entirely possible.