Hi
Posting my story here, for the off chance someone can learn something from it.
Male 34 years old.
Made a bad desicion 6 years ago, and did an oral only cycle for 6 weeks.
Only 40mg turinabol ed. Didnt read anything about this stuff until after I was done.
Went off after 6 weeks, and felt horrible.
Crazy anxiety, zero libido, insomnia, depression etc etc.
Fast forward 4 years after trying on and off with some clomid to get my test levels up, I take the plunge to start TRT on my own after reading and researching for a couple years.
I did a couple of blood tests in this period, and they both came back at about 420 ng/dl total test, e2 on the high side, but it was the non sensitive assay. Thyroid fine, as was blood, liver and kidneys. free T calculated low/mid range.
I live in Norway, so it`s impossible to get a good trt doctor or a script for anything else than gels or Nebido here, and you would have to be literally at "neutered" levels to get it.
Also getting stuff sent in the mail from other countries almost always fails.
I therefore made a postbox in London, as I like to go there every now and then.. and got some Test C, clomid, hcg, nolva and arimidex sent there.. smuggling it back home.
Was on several different protocols for the next 1,5 years.. and had alot of problems controlling e2.
Sometimes I felt good, most of the time I was unstable in some way or another.
Last 6 months, I used 80-100mg test C with about 600 iu hcg spread through the week. adex as needed. With this protocol I felt ok, but would get too low or too high e2 symptoms even with 4 injections a week.
Decided to go off and try a restart in August 2018.
I had tried once earlier.. and it was hell.
Decided to get some test Prop and get off the Cyp first, so I wouldnt have to go through the slowly declining levels of the Cyp ester.
Also had a theory that it`s better to have the test cleared when you run hcg.
After being on daily 10mg of prop for almost a month, I started hcg 3 days after last shot.
I ran hcg for 17 days at 200 iu every day and 1 drop of adex (about 1,25mg).
I am very sensitive to AI`s..
on the last day, i had a blood test.
Results
Total test - 662 ng/dl
Estradiol - 0,04 nmol/L non sensitive ( 0,00-0,20 )
SHBG - 50 nmol/L (14-74)
So this atleast told me my balls were somewhat functioning. shbg high though.
Expecting this to rise even higher on the serms.
After this i used every day for 2 weeks 20mg nolvadex and 12,5mg clomid and 1 drop of adex.
After 2 weeks, i did the same but cut nolvadex to 10mg for 1 week.
Then 1 week of 12,5mg clomid.
Adex was continued with 1 drop a day for an additional 10 days after the serms.
Quit the serms about 3 weeks ago now.
Libido has been shit, but overall feeling of well being, strengt, apetite has been good.
I will do bloodwork in the end of November.
Assuming shbg is still elevated, I am doing what I can to decrease it.
Last 5 days I have supplemented with about 8mg Boron in the form of Borax.
This seems to really help, as well being has gone up quite a bit, and the last 2 days, I have awoken with a raging hardon ^^
Other supplements to control e2 without an AI
Calcium D-glucorate
Indole 3 - Carbinole
DIM
Posting my story here, for the off chance someone can learn something from it.
Male 34 years old.
Made a bad desicion 6 years ago, and did an oral only cycle for 6 weeks.
Only 40mg turinabol ed. Didnt read anything about this stuff until after I was done.
Went off after 6 weeks, and felt horrible.
Crazy anxiety, zero libido, insomnia, depression etc etc.
Fast forward 4 years after trying on and off with some clomid to get my test levels up, I take the plunge to start TRT on my own after reading and researching for a couple years.
I did a couple of blood tests in this period, and they both came back at about 420 ng/dl total test, e2 on the high side, but it was the non sensitive assay. Thyroid fine, as was blood, liver and kidneys. free T calculated low/mid range.
I live in Norway, so it`s impossible to get a good trt doctor or a script for anything else than gels or Nebido here, and you would have to be literally at "neutered" levels to get it.
Also getting stuff sent in the mail from other countries almost always fails.
I therefore made a postbox in London, as I like to go there every now and then.. and got some Test C, clomid, hcg, nolva and arimidex sent there.. smuggling it back home.
Was on several different protocols for the next 1,5 years.. and had alot of problems controlling e2.
Sometimes I felt good, most of the time I was unstable in some way or another.
Last 6 months, I used 80-100mg test C with about 600 iu hcg spread through the week. adex as needed. With this protocol I felt ok, but would get too low or too high e2 symptoms even with 4 injections a week.
Decided to go off and try a restart in August 2018.
I had tried once earlier.. and it was hell.
Decided to get some test Prop and get off the Cyp first, so I wouldnt have to go through the slowly declining levels of the Cyp ester.
Also had a theory that it`s better to have the test cleared when you run hcg.
After being on daily 10mg of prop for almost a month, I started hcg 3 days after last shot.
I ran hcg for 17 days at 200 iu every day and 1 drop of adex (about 1,25mg).
I am very sensitive to AI`s..
on the last day, i had a blood test.
Results
Total test - 662 ng/dl
Estradiol - 0,04 nmol/L non sensitive ( 0,00-0,20 )
SHBG - 50 nmol/L (14-74)
So this atleast told me my balls were somewhat functioning. shbg high though.
Expecting this to rise even higher on the serms.
After this i used every day for 2 weeks 20mg nolvadex and 12,5mg clomid and 1 drop of adex.
After 2 weeks, i did the same but cut nolvadex to 10mg for 1 week.
Then 1 week of 12,5mg clomid.
Adex was continued with 1 drop a day for an additional 10 days after the serms.
Quit the serms about 3 weeks ago now.
Libido has been shit, but overall feeling of well being, strengt, apetite has been good.
I will do bloodwork in the end of November.
Assuming shbg is still elevated, I am doing what I can to decrease it.
Last 5 days I have supplemented with about 8mg Boron in the form of Borax.
This seems to really help, as well being has gone up quite a bit, and the last 2 days, I have awoken with a raging hardon ^^
Other supplements to control e2 without an AI
Calcium D-glucorate
Indole 3 - Carbinole
DIM
