Please tell me how vitamin D supplementation has caused calcium deficiency, let's discuss.

[Systemlord]

I have developed calcium deficiency supplementing vitamin D, the higher the dose, the worse the deficiency. I'm trying to figure out how to solve this without having to supplement calcium which is a big no no!

Without calcium supplement, vitamin D causes excess urination which leads to excessive calcium excretion as seen in my 24 hour urinary calcium lab test. This happens on, off carnivore diet, so we can rule it out. Strangely these symptoms of calcium loss have always occurred shorty after raising my ferritin from a deficiency.

The higher the ferritin, the greater the calcium loss.

This excessive urination, sharp painful muscle spasms and cramps, confusion, brain fog, fatigue and extreme sleepiness symptoms have completely reversed taking 250 mg calcium. The mental as well as physical benefits which disappeared wees ago have now returned.

I don't even know where to begin to address the cause as I've never heard of anything remotely similar on any forum.

Also, when I decrease the vitamin D dose or stop the vitamin D, for a 3-4 days my muscles get really hard, erection very hard and I become stronger than on TRT and feel like I have high testosterone, not on TRT at the moment.

Then I return to somewhat soft muscles and feel like I did pre diabetes diagnosis 10 years ago. Within 1-2 days back on vitamin D supplements muscles are somewhat hard again and feel closer to normal. On sustained vitamin D and calcium, I still feel pretty good. I had these same issues on TRT. I'm almost fully recovered, I'm so close.

Vitamin D dosage @ 2000 IU which gets me 37 level. I've tried 3000-4000, I felt better at the 4000 dosage until the calcium issue. Afterwards even the 800 IU dosage felt similar to the higher doses even with vitamin D low.

 

[Seagal]

What my AI thinks
The core of your problem almost certainly lies in the interplay between Vitamin D, Magnesium, and Parathyroid Hormone.

· Most Likely Scenario (90% Confidence): You have an underlying magnesium deficiency. Supplementing Vitamin D exacerbates this deficiency, leading to impaired PTH function and kidney calcium wasting. Correcting ferritin may act as a metabolic stressor that pushes this system over the edge.
· Less Likely but Possible: A primary issue with PTH regulation, potentially influenced by your iron status.

 

[Phil Goodman]

What I think is that your hypochondria is striking again

 

[Vince]

I have developed calcium deficiency supplementing vitamin D, the higher the dose, the worse the deficiency. I'm trying to figure out how to solve this without having to supplement calcium which is a big no no!

Without calcium supplement, vitamin D causes excess urination which leads to excessive calcium excretion as seen in my 24 hour urinary calcium lab test. This happens on, off carnivore diet, so we can rule it out. Strangely these symptoms of calcium loss have always occurred shorty after raising my ferritin from a deficiency.

The higher the ferritin, the greater the calcium loss.

This excessive urination, sharp painful muscle spasms and cramps, confusion, brain fog, fatigue and extreme sleepiness symptoms have completely reversed taking 250 mg calcium. The mental as well as physical benefits which disappeared wees ago have now returned.

I don't even know where to begin to address the cause as I've never heard of anything remotely similar on any forum.

Also, when I decrease the vitamin D dose or stop the vitamin D, for a 3-4 days my muscles get really hard, erection very hard and I become stronger than on TRT and feel like I have high testosterone, not on TRT at the moment.

Then I return to somewhat soft muscles and feel like I did pre diabetes diagnosis 10 years ago. Within 1-2 days back on vitamin D supplements muscles are somewhat hard again and feel closer to normal. On sustained vitamin D and calcium, I still feel pretty good. I had these same issues on TRT. I'm almost fully recovered, I'm so close.

Vitamin D dosage @ 2000 IU which gets me 37 level. I've tried 3000-4000, I felt better at the 4000 dosage until the calcium issue. Afterwards even the 800 IU dosage felt similar to the higher doses even with vitamin D low.

What are your calcium levels at? I was always told not to supplement with calcium, especially if you're taking a vitamin d.

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

First, Vitamin K2 is essential for regulation of calcium storage so that is the immediate thing that jumps out. You should always include K2 ( I use some of mk4 and mk7, but don't overdo the mk7 unless you've had the test to make sure you don't over-retain it) with Vitamin D supps, (as well as A, E and magnesium) so all bets are off until you fix that. The issue with supplementing calcium happens when you do so without K2, but K2 should fix that AFAIK, so supplementing calcium (or better yet, drinking whole milk) should be ok. However...

Note that calcium loss from bones is one of the first signs of Multiple Myeloma, a treatable , but bad form of cancer which causes calcium to be leeched out of the bones, so if your issue don't resolve, you would want to be checked for that.

As I've said before, you have some very strange things going on and need to be working with a good holistic Doc who can help you sort through it.

 

[Systemlord]

I figured it out. I had been on 2000 units vitamin D for a year before starting carnivore, no issues, 24 level. A week after starting carnivore I gradually started having these issues. I simply became more sensitive to vitamin D and vitamin C due to normal glucose.

What my AI thinks
The core of your problem almost certainly lies in the interplay between Vitamin D, Magnesium, and Parathyroid Hormone.

· Most Likely Scenario (90% Confidence): You have an underlying magnesium deficiency. Supplementing Vitamin D exacerbates this deficiency, leading to impaired PTH function and kidney calcium wasting. Correcting ferritin may act as a metabolic stressor that pushes this system over the edge.
· Less Likely but Possible: A primary issue with PTH regulation, potentially influenced by your iron status.

I tried mag, made the problem worse. I felt extremely nauseated all day! I tried vitamin K, can't tolerate any, not even a flake of powered on the tip of my finger when these symptoms are present, I had to overdose vitamin K to knock these symptoms down 50% while dealing with excess vitamin K symptoms. Taking vitamin K felt like a Band-Aid not really addressing the cause.

My ferritin 9 weeks ago was 4, HCT 38 and HGB 12 from two months on Jatenzo without iron supplement. These symptoms have progressed as ferritin is increasing and as a matter of fact, symptom seem worse the higher my ferritin.

Follow me, after the first week on carnivore, these issues started up. After 7 days glucose declined from 300's to 97 and remains there. I tolerate 2000 IU for a year, then carnivore diet and now can't tolerate vitamin D even from eggs sources.

Eating six eggs causes symptoms of excess vitamin D. My eyes burn, skin burns, feel sleepy, groggy and fatigue. Muscles constantly changing in hardness and definition, softer one hour, harder the next. TRT worsens these feeling sleepy, grogginess and fatigue symptoms unless I restrict vitamin D.

Iron<->vitamin D dysregulation...?

I've lost some weight but feel I've stalled. I may have some money soon to be able to see Dr. Rob Kominiarek.

 

[Phil Goodman]

How does vitamin D make your eyes and skin burn?

 

[Systemlord]

How does vitamin D make your eyes and skin burn?

I just ate 6 eggs and eyes burn, skin burns. Skin can turn red. Feel groggy and sleepy. I feel high. Sometimes taking calcium helps, but only one or twice then no affect. Sometimes taking vitamin K helps, then no affect after that.

I had the same problems with diabetes drugs, a one time benefit. Happened with GLP-1 meds, one time benefits. Same with insulin, one time benefit. All treatments are one time benefits.

It's like my receptors aren't functioning right.

 

[Systemlord]

I just had a thought, what if overdosing on vitamin D initially after starting carnivore red meat = lot of iron (Ironman) led to excessive iron absorption and with calcium competing with iron, forced calcium of through the kidneys further exacerbating iron absorption and vitamin D compounding the problem...?

Maybe I should have stopped vitamin D supplementation upon starting carnivore and allow my body to balance everything on it's own as some of you have already suggested long ago.

To my own defense, ferritin was 4 and I did recover fully within that first week on carnivore!

 

[Seagal]

I figured it out. I had been on 2000 units vitamin D for a year before starting carnivore, no issues, 24 level. A week after starting carnivore I gradually started having these issues. I simply became more sensitive to vitamin D and vitamin C due to normal glucose.

I tried mag, made the problem worse. I felt extremely nauseated all day! I tried vitamin K, can't tolerate any, not even a flake of powered on the tip of my finger when these symptoms are present, I had to overdose vitamin K to knock these symptoms down 50% while dealing with excess vitamin K symptoms. Taking vitamin K felt like a Band-Aid not really addressing the cause.

My ferritin 9 weeks ago was 4, HCT 38 and HGB 12 from two months on Jatenzo without iron supplement. These symptoms have progressed as ferritin is increasing and as a matter of fact, symptom seem worse the higher my ferritin.

Follow me, after the first week on carnivore, these issues started up. After 7 days glucose declined from 300's to 97 and remains there. I tolerate 2000 IU for a year, then carnivore diet and now can't tolerate vitamin D even from eggs sources.

Eating six eggs causes symptoms of excess vitamin D. My eyes burn, skin burns, feel sleepy, groggy and fatigue. Muscles constantly changing in hardness and definition, softer one hour, harder the next. TRT worsens these feeling sleepy, grogginess and fatigue symptoms unless I restrict vitamin D.

Iron<->vitamin D dysregulation...?

I've lost some weight but feel I've stalled. I may have some money soon to be able to see Dr. Rob Kominiarek.

AI:
1. The "Muscle Meat Only" Carnivore: This is the biggest risk. Someone who eats only steak and ground beef with no sources of dietary calcium (no bones, no dairy) is at high risk for a negative calcium balance. The body will maintain blood calcium by increasing PTH, which will pull calcium from the bones over time, potentially leading to weakened bones (osteopenia/osteoporosis).
2. Preexisting Kidney Disease: For individuals with compromised kidney function, the high phosphorus and protein load of a carnivore diet can be dangerous. Their kidneys cannot excrete the excess phosphorus, leading to high blood phosphate, low blood calcium, and chronically high PTH (secondary hyperparathyroidism of renal disease).

 

[Phil Goodman]

I just ate 6 eggs and eyes burn, skin burns. Skin can turn red. Feel groggy and sleepy. I feel high. Sometimes taking calcium helps, but only one or twice then no affect. Sometimes taking vitamin K helps, then no affect after that.

I had the same problems with diabetes drugs, a one time benefit. Happened with GLP-1 meds, one time benefits. Same with insulin, one time benefit. All treatments are one time benefits.

It's like my receptors aren't functioning right.

I’m not asking how you feel, I’m asking how it does that to you.

Also, that’s not how most medications work. Sure you could build up a tolerance to different substances, but I don’t see how insulin would just stop working in your body. Or the other things you listed. I’d say it’s much more likely that you experienced a placebo effect. I’d also say a lot of the other symptoms are either entirely in or caused in large by part by your mind. I think a good approach at this point would be to look into that aspect, and see if there are resources that could help better than what you’ve been doing. Otherwise you’re likely to continue chasing your tail and coming up with theory after theory that doesn’t seem to help for more than a week.