Free Testosterone targets for the best Libido

I have the opposite issue of Jacb: on 100 mg weekly of T cypionate (divided into 2 weekly doses), my recent (Jan. 2024) Labcorp results show very high T, but rather low free T:

TOTAL TESTOSTERONE: >1500 NG/DL

FREE T: 11.5 (DIRECT)

SHBG wasn't measured on this test, but I assume it's high, thus suppressing free T. I've started taking 10 mg of boron daily in the hope of lowering SHBG and increasing free T.

My libido is OK, but could use a boost.

Any other suggestions welcome!

You did not use the most accurate assays for testing TT (LC/MS-MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration).

Your FT was tested using the known to be inaccurate direct immunoassay which should not be used/relied upon.

You need to have your FT tested using what would be considered the most accurate assays such as the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis or Equilibrium Ultrafiltration especially in cases of altered SHBG in order to know where it truly sits.

You need to retest your TT (LC/MS-MS) and FT (ED/UF) before jumping to any conclusions as to where your FT level truly sits!
 
I have the opposite issue of Jacb: on 100 mg weekly of T cypionate (divided into 2 weekly doses), my recent (Jan. 2024) Labcorp results show very high T, but rather low free T:

TOTAL TESTOSTERONE: >1500 NG/DL
FREE T: 11.5 (DIRECT)

SHBG wasn't measured on this test, but I assume it's high,
thus suppressing free T. I've started taking 10 mg of boron daily in the hope of lowering SHBG and increasing free T.

My libido is OK, but could use a boost.

Any other suggestions welcome!

With a whopping TT 1500 let alone >1500 ng/dL you would need to have an absurdly high SHBG as in upwards of 200 nmol/L or well over in order to hit a lowish/low FT!
 
Thanks, Madman - makes sense. On Dr. Peter Attia's podcast, Attia got into this issue with Derek of "More Plates, More Dates": #291 ‒ The role of testosterone in males and females, performance-enhancing drugs, sustainable fat loss, supplements, and more | Derek, More Plates More Dates Pt.2 - Peter Attia.

It's also annoying that Labcorp doesn't provide an exact total T measurement if the T level is above 1500.

Do you happen to know if perhaps Quest uses the gold standard test? And if not Quest, what lab does?
 
Thanks, Madman - makes sense. On Dr. Peter Attia's podcast, Attia got into this issue with Derek of "More Plates, More Dates": #291 ‒ The role of testosterone in males and females, performance-enhancing drugs, sustainable fat loss, supplements, and more | Derek, More Plates More Dates Pt.2 - Peter Attia.

It's also annoying that Labcorp doesn't provide an exact total T measurement if the T level is above 1500.

Do you happen to know if perhaps Quest uses the gold standard test? And if not Quest, what lab does?

It's also annoying that Labcorp doesn't provide an exact total T measurement if the T level is above 1500.

This is because you had it tested using the wrong assay the electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) which caps out at 1500 ng/dL.

You would need to use the most accurate assay LC/MS-MS-No upper limit.



Method Used for Total Testosterone:

– Liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry (LC-MS/MS)- No upper or lower limit

– Analytical sensitivity: 1.0 ng/dL

– Analytical specificity: no cross-reactivity with other steroid compounds or supplements like biotin


– Analytical Measurement Range: 1.0 ng/dL to 2,000+ ng/dL








Do you happen to know if perhaps Quest uses the gold standard test? And if not Quest, what lab does?


Labcorp and Quest both offer the most accurate assays for TT (LC/MS-MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis).

Your cheapest option would be using Nelson's discountedlabs which offers the most accurate assays as your blood work will be done through Quest.





Labcorp

1. 500726: Testosterone, Free, Mass Spectrometry/Equilibrium Dialysis (Endocrine Sciences) | Labcorp

Free: equilibrium dialysis; total: liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS-MS)


2. 070038: Testosterone, Free, Equilibrium Ultrafiltration With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS | Labcorp

Free: equilibrium ultrafiltration; total: liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS-MS)



Quest Diagnostics

3. Testosterone, Total, LC/MS and Free (Equilibrium Dialysis)

Free: equilibrium dialysis; total: liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS-MS)
 
As I have stated in previous posts no one should be using/relying upon the TruT calculator as it is still in development/needs further validation.

*This Phase IIB proposal aims to continue the development of the TruTTM algorithm by validating it in common conditions characterized by altered estradiol (E2), T, and SHBG concentrations and incorporating the interaction of E2 with T for wider commercial adoption in women in whom E2 levels vary greatly across the menstrual cycle and in TGD population




Everyone should be testing their FT using what would be considered the most accurate assays such as the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis or Equilibrium Ultrafiltration especially in cases of altered SHBG.

If you do not have access to such assays, highly doubtful if you live in the US then you would need to use/rely upon the linear law-of-mass action cFTV.

Keep in mind as of now cFTV tends to overestimate slightly when compared against a standardized Equilibrium Dialysis assay.

There is no so called optimal trough FT for the best libido!

If anything you should be aiming for a healthy trough FT.

A healthy trough FT based off a standardized ED assay would be around 16-31 ng/dL.

More importantly you need keep the injection frequency/peak--->trough in mind as there is a world of difference between one hitting a high trough FT injecting once weekly vs daily or EOD!

Even than it is not a given that having a healthy/high FT will result in having a good/strong sex drive as libido let alone ED are multifactorial.

Testosterone is only one piece of the puzzle.

Also need to keep in mind that running too high a trough FT level can be just as bad in many ways as running too low a level especially when it comes to libido/erectile function and mood!





TruTTM (v2.0) algorithm

ABSTRACT

Background:
Measurement of free testosterone (T) concentrations is indicated in the diagnosis of androgen disorders, including hypogonadism in men; hirsutism, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), and androgenic alopecia in women; pubertal disorders in boys and management of gender-affirming hormone therapies for transgender and gender diverse (TGD) persons. This Phase IIB proposal aims to continue the development of the TruTTM algorithm by validating it in common conditions characterized by altered estradiol (E2), T, and SHBG concentrations and incorporating the interaction of E2 with T for wider commercial adoption in women in whom E2 levels vary greatly across the menstrual cycle and in TGD population.

Approach: This application follows the FDA’s published “Guidance for Industry: Bioanalytical Method Validation”.

The essential parameters to determine the acceptability of a bioanalytical method include its technical performance (accuracy, precision, sensitivity, selectivity, stability, and matrix effects).

Reference ranges should be determined in appropriate human samples.

The analytical method should be validated for the intended use (e.g., determination in conditions of intended use, such as persons with altered E2 and T levels, women with PCOS, TGD persons, etc.).

In studies through the Phase II, we demonstrated that the method has superior performance characteristics and extended the validation of TruTTM algorithm in conditions characterized by altered SHBG concentrations.

*In the proposed Phase IIB studies, we will generate the v2.0 of TruTTM algorithm by incorporating the dynamics of the E2 induced perturbation in free T levels, validate it in men, women, and TGD populations (Aim 1) and deploy HIPAA-compliant, secure integration of the algorithm into electronic medical records (EMR) workflow

*(Aim 2). Future Directions and Commercialization potential: The phase IIB program will enable the pilot commercial deployment of a HIPAA-compliant (FDA registered) platform for commercializing the TruTTM (v2.0) algorithm embedded into electronic medical record (EMR) for wider clinical adoption.

These studies will improve clinical care and advance our fundamental understanding of dynamic regulation of T bioavailability in diverse populations including unrepresented sexual and gender minorities

@Nelson Vergel

Why are all my threads/post missing for TruTTM (v2.0) algorithm Phase IIB?

Just noticed this as none of them are anywhere to be found.
 
@madman this one?

 
@madman this one?


All the links are missing for the threads.
 
@madman this one?


I had numerous threads/posts.





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@madman this one?


Had posts in this thread and they are missing now.

Put so much time and effort over the years and all of the threads/posts/links are missing now.

Someone deleted them as nothing is showing up in the search function.




 

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