Anyone use Chrysin as an AI?

[Yettigiant]

Great site and forum for dosing and experience on Anastrozole - Arimidex, but there are quite a few side effects for some.

Does anyone have any experience using Chrysin to manage and dial E into balance? dosing, any broscience experiences welcome.

FYI- The NCBI study using urinary testosterone as a measure is well not a good design of experiment, as blood work is what counts.

thanks Excelmale community

 

[Vince Carter]

will not reduce your E, will lighten your wallet for sure. Some of these things are more psychosomatic/all in your head to what they do. At best, DIM, might, help metabolize some estrogens but thats not a reduction in E.

 

[Blackhawk]

EDIT: see post 5 below


Prior to TRT My E2 sensitve was 10. My Total T 291.

I was put on a transdermal cream compounded with chrysin. Next lab E2 12, TT 498

I was then put on transdermal cream without Chrysin E2 25, TT 443,

So based on these protocols and labs, I do believe chrysin was supressing E2

 

[Vince Carter]

Cream at the same dose, timing, application location???

@Blackhawk

 

[Blackhawk]

Cream at the same dose, timing, application location???

@Blackhawk

Both protocols daily application. Second protocol changed to one click every third day to scrotum. Theoretically that would increase DHT and indeed it was high after scrotal application.

EDIT: Come to think of it, also started HCG at that time, certainly could have contributed to higher E2

 

[Yettigiant]

Thanks guys, really appreciate your experience/opinion on this...

FYI: Just started TRT, so don't have my protocol dialed in yet. Pre-TRT: 454 TT, 4.7pg/ml FT (labcorp low end 6.8pg), E-sens = 17.2... Desire to get my FT >20pg/ml...

Starter TRT protocol: 150mg for a week, split into 2 doses. Will add HCG and AI (depending upon E conversion) when I get my bloodwork after a month. Adjust T dose and add HCG - go another month. 2 months to attempt to dial in protocol and see how my body reacts to TRT/HCG. 3rd month to assess E and adjust if necessary (meaning if I feel symptoms or E spikes)

 

[Vince]

Great site and forum for dosing and experience on Anastrozole - Arimidex, but there are quite a few side effects for some.

Does anyone have any experience using Chrysin to manage and dial E into balance? dosing, any broscience experiences welcome.

FYI- The NCBI study using urinary testosterone as a measure is well not a good design of experiment, as blood work is what counts.

thanks Excelmale community

Chrysin cream?

 

[Vince Carter]

without intending to pick it apart on you I suspected that it was not constant that we could say Chrysin reduced E2 by half. @Blackhawk

 

[Yettigiant]

@Vince - I purchased Chrysin 500mg pills from passion flower extract, not cream (pills are $10 bucks from Walmart). I may use this as a design of experiment if my E gets out of balance, as I am brand new to the TRT therapy.

I try to avoid any chemically synthesized medication pills (like arimidex) whenever possible, so I thought a natural supplement may be an alternative.

 

[Blackhawk]

@Vince - I purchased Chrysin 500mg pills from passion flower extract, not cream (pills are $10 bucks from Walmart). I may use this as a design of experiment if my E gets out of balance, as I am brand new to the TRT therapy.

I try to avoid any chemically synthesized medication pills (like arimidex) whenever possible, so I thought a natural supplement may be an alternative.

Why do you think you need to suppress estradiol now?

You have not said anything about follow up labs or any estradiol related symptoms.

Aromatase inhibitors should be a last resort only when there are high E2 problems.

 

[Yettigiant]

@Blackhawk - agreed AI are a last resort in my opinion as well.

My pre-TRT protocol levels of estradiol-sensitive are 17pg/ml. I was just seeking experiences on alternatives to arimidex, given its potential side effects and didn't see any threads in this forum on natural extracted supplements for E-suppression (chrysin) should it become a symptomatic or reach above norm levels in my next blood test. Several pro-T forums have articulated Chrysin as natural AI suppression with bro science empirical impacts for some.

Thanks for posting your experience with data driven results on your experience with transdermal chrysin cream.

My next blood work is schedule for 10/17/19 after solely T-cyp at 150mg/week... I will start HCG after first month of TRT - as HCG has substantial evidence to be clearly beneficial to testical shrinkage and sex drive for some. After the addition of HCG and blood work on 11/17/19 - will assess E-levels and symptoms and adjust protocol with arimidex or chrysin should it be required.

 

[Vince]

@Blackhawk - agreed AI are a last resort in my opinion as well.

My pre-TRT protocol levels of estradiol-sensitive are 17pg/ml. I was just seeking experiences on alternatives to arimidex, given its potential side effects and didn't see any threads in this forum on natural extracted supplements for E-suppression (chrysin) should it become a symptomatic or reach above norm levels in my next blood test. Several pro-T forums have articulated Chrysin as natural AI suppression with bro science empirical impacts for some.

Thanks for posting your experience with data driven results on your experience with transdermal chrysin cream.

My next blood work is schedule for 10/17/19 after solely T-cyp at 150mg/week... I will start HCG after first month of TRT - as HCG has substantial evidence to be clearly beneficial to testical shrinkage and sex drive for some. After the addition of HCG and blood work on 11/17/19 - will assess E-levels and symptoms and adjust protocol with arimidex or chrysin should it be required.

It will be interesting to see your labs and what results you are having. Hopefully all good results. With testosterone levels around 454 estrogen at 17.2 you may have estrogen issues, especially when adding HCG in the mix.

 

[Smokey]

@Blackhawk - agreed AI are a last resort in my opinion as well.

My pre-TRT protocol levels of estradiol-sensitive are 17pg/ml. I was just seeking experiences on alternatives to arimidex, given its potential side effects and didn't see any threads in this forum on natural extracted supplements for E-suppression (chrysin) should it become a symptomatic or reach above norm levels in my next blood test. Several pro-T forums have articulated Chrysin as natural AI suppression with bro science empirical impacts for some.

Thanks for posting your experience with data driven results on your experience with transdermal chrysin cream.

My next blood work is schedule for 10/17/19 after solely T-cyp at 150mg/week... I will start HCG after first month of TRT - as HCG has substantial evidence to be clearly beneficial to testical shrinkage and sex drive for some. After the addition of HCG and blood work on 11/17/19 - will assess E-levels and symptoms and adjust protocol with arimidex or chrysin should it be required.

Man, never use arimidex, ever. Try cream to testicles twice daily. I struggled with controlling E until I finally gave up hcg and injections