7.5mgs daily labs

[Jmac1]

Hey guys! Recently received my 6 week labs done roughly 3 hours post injection.

Protocol is 7.5mgs daily, sub q.

Feeling better..not great, but better than before starting TRT. I’d like to be a little higher though.

Any ideas or suggestions on increasing dosage and by how much?

 

[Seagal]

Good starting dose and good starting level achieved, good absorption with SQ.
You could wait few more weeks and let things settle, you might start feeling better on that dose/level.

Imo an increase of about 10mg per week would be a good choice.

 

[Jmac1]

Good starting dose and good starting level achieved, good absorption with SQ.
You could wait few more weeks and let things settle, you might start feeling better on that dose/level.

Imo an increase of about 10mg per week would be a good choice.

Thanks Seagal! I’ll reassess in a few weeks and increase if necessary

 

[Cataceous]

I agree with @Seagal: Those are stellar numbers for just starting out, right in the midrange for healthy young men. Do give it some more time. If you haven't already, skim through this article to get a sense of the time frames for various improvements. Remember that TRT is not a cure-all, and there may be trade-offs involved due to the loss of HPTA function.

 

[Jmac1]

I agree with @Seagal: Those are stellar numbers for just starting out, right in the midrange for healthy young men. Do give it some more time. If you haven't already, skim through this article to get a sense of the time frames for various improvements. Remember that TRT is not a cure-all, and there may be trade-offs involved due to the loss of HPTA function.

Thanks Cataceous, I’ll look at the article.

Many things have definitely improved. Forgot to provide starting numbers,

Baseline (7:00am blood draw)
Total T 430 (250-1100)
Free T 40 (35-155)

 

[Cataceous]

To further elaborate on the low-and-slow philosophy: The key thing is to establish a solid reference point at reasonable levels, which is where you are now. Later on, if you think improvements are possible then you will have a point of comparison as you gradually raise the dose. It's common to have a honeymoon period with such increases, which means that after each modification you should wait at least a couple of months for things to settle down before evaluating the outcome relative to other doses. There are always going to be some trade-offs; higher levels often increase athleticism, but the odds of various side effects goes up. You're looking to find the best balance.

Issues that don't resolve over a range of doses are either going to be independent of testosterone, or else are caused by TRT itself.

 

[Jmac1]

To further elaborate on the low-and-slow philosophy: The key thing is to establish a solid reference point at reasonable levels, which is where you are now. Later on, if you think improvements are possible then you will have a point of comparison as you gradually raise the dose. It's common to have a honeymoon period with such increases, which means that after each modification you should wait at least a couple of months for things to settle down before evaluating the outcome relative to other doses. There are always going to be some trade-offs; higher levels often increase athleticism, but the odds of various side effects goes up. You're looking to find the best balance.

Issues that don't resolve over a range of doses are either going to be independent of testosterone, or else are caused by TRT itself.

I understand and agree!
When I first started, I experienced the honeymoon phase. It was fantastic! Lol

Now that my body is functioning solely off the exogenous T (failed to mention enanthate), things are better in many aspects (better erections, sex drive, not needing afternoon naps), but not near as it was during the first 4 weeks or so.

Overall, I’m pleased. Being 36, I feel pretty comfortable with these numbers and how I feel. My wife is happier too! The plan is to give time as all of you have stated and reassess in another month or two to see if any changes, positive or negative, have occurred.

 

[Willyt]

You started the smart way. When/if the time comes, its easy to titrate up versus down.

 

[Vince]

Hey guys! Recently received my 6 week labs done roughly 3 hours post injection.

Protocol is 7.5mgs daily, sub q.

Feeling better..not great, but better than before starting TRT. I’d like to be a little higher though.

Any ideas or suggestions on increasing dosage and by how much?

You should do Labs 24 hours after injecting not three.

 

[Cataceous]

You should do Labs 24 hours after injecting not three.

This is unnecessary. Men on daily cypionate will usually not see much variation.

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

I understand and agree!
When I first started, I experienced the honeymoon phase. It was fantastic! Lol

Now that my body is functioning solely off the exogenous T (failed to mention enanthate), things are better in many aspects (better erections, sex drive, not needing afternoon naps), but not near as it was during the first 4 weeks or so.

Overall, I’m pleased. Being 36, I feel pretty comfortable with these numbers and how I feel. My wife is happier too! The plan is to give time as all of you have stated and reassess in another month or two to see if any changes, positive or negative, have occurred.

Also, depending on what dimension you need/want further improvement on, there may be approaches other than more T to achieve what you need.

 

[Vince]

This is unnecessary. Men on daily cypionate will usually not see much variation.

Still do it right.
If you would post your results from 3 hours to 24 hours it show us how much it varies. At least when it comes to your labs.
That way we can have a intelligent discussion.

 

[Seagal]

Still do it right.
If you would post your results from 3 hours to 24 hours it show us how much it varies. At least when it comes to your labs.
That way we can have a intelligent discussion.

It's SQ and daily. Would be nice to have a 24h graph of T level in general but that's not the purpose here.

 

[Vince]

It's SQ and daily. Would be nice to have a 24h graph of T level in general but that's not the purpose here.

I know @Cataceous cannot use testosterone cyp because of anxiety issues. My understanding is originally he did. I know the half-life of testosterone cyp is approximately 8 days. So when you have Labs 3 hours after injecting compared to 24 hours injecting how much do your levels change? Isn't that the original question?

 

[Seagal]

I know @Cataceous cannot use testosterone cyp because of anxiety issues. My understanding is originally he did. I know the half-life of testosterone cyp is approximately 8 days. So when you have Labs 3 hours after injecting compared to 24 hours injecting how much do your levels change? Isn't that the original question?

I noticed the timing too and thought about it. In my experience the SQ gives a delayed and flattened response. No idea when there would be a minor peak during the 24h window.
Maybe we can agree that next time he measures before the injection. I really don't expect any relevant difference.

Don't let the debate on the starting dose (other thread) and T optimization vs physiological range ruin all other threads/discussions.

 

[Vince]

I noticed the timing too and thought about it. In my experience the SQ gives a delayed and flattened response. No idea when there would be a minor peak during the 24h window.
Maybe we can agree that next time he measures before the injection. I really don't expect any relevant difference.

Don't let the debate on the starting dose (other thread) and T optimization vs physiological range ruin all other threads/discussions.

I agree. I don't know why @Cataceous goes off in different directions.

 

[Jmac1]

I noticed the timing too and thought about it. In my experience the SQ gives a delayed and flattened response. No idea when there would be a minor peak during the 24h window.
Maybe we can agree that next time he measures before the injection. I really don't expect any relevant difference.

Don't let the debate on the starting dose (other thread) and T optimization vs physiological range ruin all other threads/discussions.

Regarding doing labs around 24 hr. before next injection, if this did show variation how much of a % difference would it be?

Would lab numbers be higher or lower after 24hrs?

 

[Cataceous]

I know @Cataceous cannot use testosterone cyp because of anxiety issues. My understanding is originally he did.

Your lack of understanding suggests either a problem with reading comprehension or else deliberate trolling. I've never said anything like that and yet here you are with a third admonishment in a two week period.

I know the half-life of testosterone cyp is approximately 8 days. So when you have Labs 3 hours after injecting compared to 24 hours injecting how much do your levels change? Isn't that the original question?

The point is that with the long half-life of cypionate—actually more like five days, not eight—the daily variation in serum testosterone is usually limited to a few percent, not enough to worry about. If you're looking for an anecdote: Even with EOD SC enanthate injections I had minimal variation in levels.

... I really don't expect any relevant difference.
...

Exactly. So let's leave him alone and let him test when it's convenient.

 

[Seagal]

Regarding doing labs around 24 hr. before next injection, if this did show variation how much of a % difference would it be?

Would lab numbers be higher or lower after 24hrs?

Could be bit higher or bit lower. If you want to know for sure you would need to take blood several times the day to get an estimate of the daily variation. It might differ slightly from day to day.
It really doesn't matter. I'm afraid the question was initially asked with malign intend stemming from other discussions.
If I were forced to guesstimate the variation I would say between 5-15%.

 

[Vince]

Your lack of understanding suggests either a problem with reading comprehension or else deliberate trolling. I've never said anything like that and yet here you are with a third admonishment in a two week period.



The point is that with the long half-life of cypionate—actually more like five days, not eight—the daily variation in serum testosterone is usually limited to a few percent, not enough to worry about. If you're looking for an anecdote: Even with EOD SC enanthate injections I had minimal variation in levels.



Exactly. So let's leave him alone and let him test when it's convenient.

@Cataceous I won't reply about your anxiety or libido issues. I do know you have to do a complete different protocol. I've read your posting. Let's try to keep the thread on track.