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Sensitive arrays are, unfortunately, not available in Switzerland. I did a regular E2 test with a ref range of 41-159 pmol/l. My last 5 measurements, taken across roughly 2 months, came out as: <18 (below threshold) <18 (below threshold) <18 (below threshold) <18 (below threshold) 31 (below...

Hi all, my endo recently made a statement that I believe to be completely untrue, but I need some "proof". What he said was - "your low E" (pre-TRT and with my initial protocol I had levels that were BELOW what the lab can even measure) "is because you're getting too much test, and that's why...

Thanks guys for all clarifications!

Hi guys, I've started my TRT about 2 months back, with a hard restart about 3 weeks ago. So far, I'm doing good - no sides, feeling well. I was just wondering - am I too happy too early? At what point do sides (e.g. gyno issues / E2 related issues) usually show in the treatment process? Or...

Did you ever have your cortisol levels checked? Can you exclude issues on the psychological side - burn-out, stress at work or at home, etc.?

On a completely unrelated side note, Dorian Yates, who was Mr. Olympia 6 times, published his steroid cycle in a magazine many years back - he's always been very open about his steroid use. He was using (if I remember correctly) something like 350mg pre-contest and 750mg off-season (of course...

Hi guys, I usually do "deep" IM (with a roughly 20mm / 6/8" needle in 25G) into my quads. I do this ED, alternating between 16 sites (2 "lines" of 4 spots in the "available middle outer third" of each quad). Never any issues, little bit of a sting when entering (I do it slowly) but apart from a...

Would be interesting to know if "higher" doses mean standard TRT doses (let's say, >250mg/week) or if we're talking the obscene gram-a-week- doses some bodybuilders abuse...

Would need to ask...

Hi guys, I live in Europe / Switzerland and the docs I've asked have never heard of a "sensitive" Estradiol test. I've read on the forums that over here in Europe, the test doesn't seem to be very common. What should I do in order to manage my Estradiol properly? Are there any rule of thumbs...

Hi all, just wanted to check on another statement of my (pretty useless) endo - he said, a big risk of taking testosterone is receptor desensitization, and as with any other drug "you'll need to increase doses the longer you take it". Never heard of it and don't believe it - but just to...

makes sense... was just hoping that... well, there's a need for everything, so usually there is someone, somewhere, producing the things that might be a bit unusual. Doesn't seem like it in this case :) Maybe I'll give 1/2" shallow IM a try. and just draw out the rest with a regular 1cc + longer...

Thanks guys - I totally see what you mean, unfortunately where I live (Switzerland) to find a doc willing to prescribe TRT is almost impossible, so it was better than nothing. For the moment, the family member is prescribing me (but only because I was diagnosed with hypogonadism by the endo)...

What my wonderful endo gave me (3cc, 21g 1.5”) vs what I’m using now (1cc, 25g 0.8”) ‍♂️ I haven't found syringes with less than 1cc that do NOT have a fixed needle attached (would rather use .5cc or even .3cc syringes for more precise measuring), and I also haven't found .5 or .3 insulin...

Someone mentioned a great expert in belgium the other day. Search for it, should pop up... I‘m in Switzerland. TRT wasteland.

whats the reasoning behind draw needles? is it a hygienic factor if you have rubber cap viles, does the needle get blunt when touching glass, or...? (speed aside) I only get ampoules where I live that I have to draw up completely, so I‘m thinking about skipping my 18G draw needles once I run...

„23G and the whole needle“ - 23G is only a measure for the diameter of the needle, it doesn‘t say anything about the length. For the quad, I‘m using 23mm 25G needles (probably could go shorter). I started with 27G and went a bit „thicker“ with 25G as I found pressing the plunger was a bit...

All - thanks for your answers! Nelson - you quote very specific numbers. Do you remember where you got them from? Thanks!

So I went to my endo again, 6 weeks after we started TRT (IM injections E2W), to discuss blood work. (Been diagnosed with primary) He started me on a horrible protocol (125mg E2W), so after 4 weeks I told him via email I want to switch to weekly injections, to which he agreed. The labs drawn...

I‘m currently FURIOUS about my doc. Grrrrrr.... Backstory here. Anyway - is it true that you can give low-dose TRT as an „add-on“ in a low-enough dose that does not suppress your own production? My impression was that ANY exogenous test will suppress your own function. Any studies / medical...

On a sidenote, please add reference ranges of your results - especially for SHBG, which has a big influence on injection frequency (lower = more frequently needed)

This is a great idea! Please keep us updated. Been there, and wass able to convince my doctor to do weekly injections (and have switched to daily in the meanwhile on my own terms). Make sure to show him this study: The 12 Year-Old Study That Proves Testosterone Injections Every Two Weeks...

Hi guys, search didn't come up with anything, maybe you can give me your opinion. I've switched my protocol to EOD injections - after experiencing the trough of my doctor-prescribed E2W (!) protocol twice, I've had it. Plus, weird thing, I actually like injecting daily, as it gives me an easier...

Following up on this slightly older thread because I was about to post the same question; I'm still a bit confused here. If you look at studies that talk about testosterone pharmacokinetics, e.g. this one, most of them show a peak at the day after injection. With an e2d protocol, my "trough"...

Hi, nope, never did... my levels were at the very bottom of the range the first time I ever tested them before starting TRT (actually, because I felt so shitty I thought I might have HIGH E for whatever reason) - then, when the doc did a LHRH stimulation test to see how my testicles are working...

Hi guys, so after a few REALLY miserable days I got my blood drawn today for the doctors 6-week follow up. He is absolutely inexperienced and put me on a really shitty protocol (discussed in other threads) of 125mg/E2W. I've managed to convince him via email to at least agree to weekly...

Switzerland...

Thanks for all replies. I'm fully aware this sucks, the problem is: Where I live, he's currently my only option (others wouldn't even consider TRT) and I've been through a few docs already. Why I'm not going earlier - he's on holidays this week and only draws blood on Wednesday - for whatever...

Hey guys, so my endo wanted to do some follow-up bloodwork on my starting protocol (125mg E2W) after 6 weeks, which is going to be next week. It's now been 12 days since the last injection - with 6 more days to go, as he is on holidays and only draws blood on Wednesday (it's Thursday now). I...

Hey guys, started TRT 6 weeks ago. Before that, I was on a strict ketogenic diet, <20-30g carbs / day, often less. Lost 18kg / 40pounds and went down from 98kg to 80kg - relatively easily, since I'm usually more a "salty" than a "sweet" guy. Now ever since I've started TRT, I'm fighting daily...

On TRT for 6 weeks now and my next bloodwork/followup with the endo is due in a few days. Calling my endo "inexperienced" when it comes to TRT would be a massive compliment, so I just wanted to check in with you guys ahead of time so that I'm getting the right labs. What should I get tested...