Im doing 250 HCG EOD now. I feel better sexually like this. Side effects seem to fade away, a bit tiredness remains and a bit elevated pulse still
Will HCG side effects fade away?
I've seen this graph. But I did not find graphs for 250UI injection.
On 500UI twice weekly there seems to be fluctuation as well. For me personally the more often anything is taken the better. I've considered even going ED, but I plan to continue now on this protocol and give it enough time to stabilize myself.
Not sure 250 IU was tested only the 150 and 500...in my case I do 350 twice a week which strikes a balance for not overloading myself but also knowing it is still in my system. I used to inject small amounts of everything daily. Life is too short. Twice a week works for me for both test and HCG and with 350 HCG I know I am getting a reasonable serum level for a couple of days.
This case study has significant shortcomings. There was no crossover, so comparing results between the two subjects is questionable. The hCG test is at its detection limit, with dubious accuracy and a coarse resolution. Areas under the curves should be roughly proportional to dose, yet instead of 500/150 ~= 3, these measurements imply 18/2 = 9. To then claim that such limited data prove that there are radically different pharmacokinetics at different doses is certainly not justified.
Addition: Even if the hCG test were perfectly accurate the actual hCG levels could look like the following, leading to a much different conclusion:
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I plan to try to inject 100 UI ED. As my test is ED I think it makes sense the HCG to be as well.
This morning I tried to inject test together with HCG. I wanna spare holes in my belly. The test was preloaded and I loaded the HCG. But when the HCG solution came into the syringe filled with the oil some big bubbles formed and I did not understand are they air or from the two liquids mixing. They seemed a bit liquid not like the usual air bubbles. Im not sure how much I injected because of this bubbles. Also then to my mind came that when I put the needle in the HCG bottle there was some oil on the outside of the needle.
Is the HCG contaminated and damaged now? I know it is very fragile and should not be shaked for example.
This morning I tried to inject test together with HCG. I wanna spare holes in my belly. The test was preloaded and I loaded the HCG. But when the HCG solution came into the syringe filled with the oil some big bubbles formed and I did not understand are they air or from the two liquids mixing. They seemed a bit liquid not like the usual air bubbles. Im not sure how much I injected because of this bubbles. Also then to my mind came that when I put the needle in the HCG bottle there was some oil on the outside of the needle.
Is the HCG contaminated and damaged now? I know it is very fragile and should not be shaked for example.
This procedure is ok and I've been doing it myself. The "bubbles" are probably just the heavier water-based hCG droplets penetrating the oil. A minuscule amount of oil will not hurt the hCG, and the vial stopper wipes the needle pretty clean anyway.
A potential problem with this technique occurs if you never inject air into the hCG vial and it develops too low of a pressure. You could inject air into it separately, or alternatively, if you can alternate which substance is drawn first then you inject twice the dose volume of air into the first vial each time, which takes care of the alternate times when you are drawing without pre-injecting air.
You are gold man. Tomorrow I will make a picture of the syringe with the bubbles and upload it here. I always fill the oil first because it is much harder to fill in this 29G needles. I just wanna make sure I inject the same amount of HCG every time and that it is not damaged in the vial.
@Cataceous
I cannot draw them together in the same needle. From Nelson's video it is not very clear how to do that. I got the impression he puts air in between but Im not sure.
I tried to fill the 29G needle with test first, but when I tried to add the hcg on top big air bubbles formed and it became a mess. For now I see no choice but to make two separate injections, and this is every other day so a lot of pinning
I cannot draw them together in the same needle. From Nelson's video it is not very clear how to do that. I got the impression he puts air in between but Im not sure.
I tried to fill the 29G needle with test first, but when I tried to add the hcg on top big air bubbles formed and it became a mess. For now I see no choice but to make two separate injections, and this is every other day so a lot of pinning
DixieWrecked
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It's easy. Just draw the test first and then the hcg. Those aren't air bubbles in the tube, that's the water based hcg.
I dont think so they were air when I experimented yesterday, but I cannot return the liquid back in the hcg vial because I will put testosterone there.
What size needle have you used to do that?
To illustrate I just grabbed an old syringe and used water and olive oil. Note the little water "bubble" on the right at the plunger and the big one in the center-left. You're probably just seeing lots of small hCG pockets in the oil. I use 31-gauge needles.@Cataceous
I cannot draw them together in the same needle. From Nelson's video it is not very clear how to do that. I got the impression he puts air in between but Im not sure.
I tried to fill the 29G needle with test first, but when I tried to add the hcg on top big air bubbles formed and it became a mess. For now I see no choice but to make two separate injections, and this is every other day so a lot of pinning
Blackhawk
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I draw both into the same syringe every other day, have been for a couple years.
I've found that with a few HCG vials there is a split or space in the rubber stopper/port which when the vial is inverted can retain a bubble of air. if the end of the needle is drawing from this airspace, yep it draws air. The short 5/16" needles I use always only enter the vial that far, so I just look carefully and if there is air, flick the neck of the vial with it inverted before pulling the plunger. Also helps to draw slowly.
As to eod HCG dosage, 200iu works for me. Just enough to prevent testicular discomfort, and any more creates E2 side effect. As is I take a tiny dose of anastrozole as well.
I've found that with a few HCG vials there is a split or space in the rubber stopper/port which when the vial is inverted can retain a bubble of air. if the end of the needle is drawing from this airspace, yep it draws air. The short 5/16" needles I use always only enter the vial that far, so I just look carefully and if there is air, flick the neck of the vial with it inverted before pulling the plunger. Also helps to draw slowly.
As to eod HCG dosage, 200iu works for me. Just enough to prevent testicular discomfort, and any more creates E2 side effect. As is I take a tiny dose of anastrozole as well.
Do you inject the test EOD as well? Have you experienced any tiredness from the HCG? I still feel a bit tired from it and maybe ED dosages like the test will be better
Maybe looks similar but on the other hand when I draw HCG in empty syringe often air comes in and I push some fluid back into the vial draw again a few times until the air is solved. I cannot do that if there is testosterone already in the syringe
This sounds like what @Blackhawk is describing, in which case gentle tapping on the vial should dislodge the air bubble from the stopper.
Blackhawk
Member
Gianluca
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how was you experience with 100Iu daily? did resolve all of your side effects? were you using Pharma HCG or compounded?
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