Weak morning wood....is it a big deal?

[Maximus220rr]

I have been dealing with less than stellar morning wood. It varies a degrees of hardness which is this normal or is everyone rock hard every morning?
My protocol was 80mg of test twice a week....3.5 days
500ius twice a week of hcg....3.5 days
No ai
Labs from this protocol just general test total at 978, e2 sensitive 36.9 and I had prolactin checked at 17 (high)
I have changed protocol the last few weeks and have played with daily hcg to see how that worked.....i was doing 120ius a day for 3 weeks or so and balls didn't hang and weren't as full. Talked to my doc and she said try who 150ius daily so that's were I started this week. I am still at 80mg of test a twice a week and still using no ai.
Back before these protocols I was doing 200mg of test a week split up and 500ius of hcg twice a week with .25 of anstrozole and it seemed my morning wood and nocturnal wood was hard as a rock.
I am wondering if I need to lower my e2 a bit but I don't want to have use an ai if I don't have to.
And starting to wonder of I should go back to 500ius twice a week instead of weekly because it's a pain in the butt.

 

[Vince]

I have been dealing with less than stellar morning wood. It varies a degrees of hardness which is this normal or is everyone rock hard every morning? .

It's normal for me, we are all different though.

 

[ERO]

TRT does not guarantee morning wood - it would be nice if it did, but it does not. Many variables at play here. Some of us get wood during REM sleep more than upon morning wake-up. Some of us have morning wood at times, but not always.

 

[CoastWatcher]

What is your erectile response like other than morning awakening? Are you satisfied with it in those circumstances?

What at about your prolactin being elevated? That's certainly of potential interest.

 

[Maximus220rr]

I use daily cialis which helps so the tines I am in other situations it's ok but I feel like I need it.
Am puzzled with prolactin? Not sure why it's elevated and what to do about it?

 

[AbsoluteZ3R0]

As far as your HCG protocol goes, Dr Saya did a (very) small study demonstrating that larger 2x a week doses of HCG are probably better than daily, smaller doses. Here is a link: http://defymedical.com/resources/health-articles/372-quantitative-serum-hcg-case-studies-150iu-500iu

Also, do you watch a lot of porn? That is a common cause of diminished morning wood, assuming all else is healthy.

 

[Maximus220rr]

I have read that study and was doing the 500ius twice a week and liked it. That's the dose I was doing when I had labs drawn plus the 80mg of test twice a week. Morning wood was weak.....its there but just weak. I don't watch alot of porn....every once in a while. I want to go back to the 500ius twice a week but don't want My prolactin to get high.

 

[CoastWatcher]

I use daily cialis which helps so the tines I am in other situations it's ok but I feel like I need it.
Am puzzled with prolactin? Not sure why it's elevated and what to do about it?

Elevated prolactin is treated with cabergoline.

 

[Vince]

I have read that study and was doing the 500ius twice a week and liked it. That's the dose I was doing when I had labs drawn plus the 80mg of test twice a week. Morning wood was weak.....its there but just weak. I don't watch alot of porn....every once in a while. I want to go back to the 500ius twice a week but don't want My prolactin to get high.

I like injecting 500 iu of HCG twice a week and my balls do hang nicely. It sound like your old protocol, worked better for you?

 

[Maximus220rr]

Vince I think it did bit I was still having weak morning erections but maybe that's not a big deal. The only thing that my concern was with was that my prolactin was high.....not sure what to do there??

 

[Maximus220rr]

It's there another way to do it like with dose rather than adding caber into the mix? My doc doesn't think it's a big deal and won't treat it unless it's super high.

 

[Vince]

Vince I think it did bit I was still having weak morning erections but maybe that's not a big deal. The only thing that my concern was with was that my prolactin was high.....not sure what to do there??

I sure you know this but no sexually intercourse or masturbated before prolactin labs. How many times did you test high for prolactin.

 

[Maximus220rr]

Only once I think? I think in the past my other test have been low.....i will have to check. Those times in the past my test and hcg doses were higher but I also used an ai then too.

 

[Will Brink]

I have been dealing with less than stellar morning wood. It varies a degrees of hardness which is this normal or is everyone rock hard every morning?
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I have never understood the fixation with morning wood. I don't have it unless some attractive gal is next to me I want to use it with. If not, no wood. At 50+ I'm very sexual person, need no additional meds beyond TRT, and can't remember the last time I had morning wood without some motivation for it. Personally, I don't think it really indicates anything one way or another.

What does matter is, do you have wood when you need it? Other then that, who cares? Morning wood may indicate the ability to get it for sex in some men no doubt, but it does not for me and others and focusing on it probably leads to more stress than anything.

So, if you are achieving wood when you want/need it = morning wood irrelevant

Not having wood when you want/need it, is the only real issue that matters in my view.

Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

 

[Vince Carter]

Im not sure that erections are reliable indicators, for the hormonal profile. I really don't have overnight or morning erections, unless I have Cialis in my system. This tells me that the hormonal environment is OK but that I may have other blood flow, NO, vascular issues ongoing that prevent or interfere with E's. I don't in my life have strong memories of overnight or morning erections, no nocturnal ejaculate, etc etc

 

[Maximus220rr]

Thanks for the reply. The only thing am wondering is that I use to have hard morning wood when I was on higher levels of test and hcg with the use of an ai. Now it's seems different since I lowered my dose and took out the ai. My e2 isn't tha5 high relative to my test level. I wouldn't think it was a big deal if I didn't have them before. I use a daily cialis. So when it's time for wood am pretty good but if I didn't have the cialis I am not sure?

 

[hva]

I notice a definite difference in the quality of morning wood, and erections in general, depending on where my E2 is. Both low or elevated is similar but low is worse. In the sweet spot things are perfect. I've yet to determine exactly where that spot is or what combination of things will keep it there. Such is the life of TRT I suppose.

 

[Maximus220rr]

I have yet to find the sweet spot either and it's frustrating. I have been at both ends of the spectrum and can't find a mild ground. I wouldn't think my e2 is too low with a 36.9 sensitive test and a 978 total test

 

[AbsoluteZ3R0]

I have yet to find the sweet spot either and it's frustrating. I have been at both ends of the spectrum and can't find a mild ground. I wouldn't think my e2 is too low with a 36.9 sensitive test and a 978 total test

Are you a high SHBG guy? If so, you may have low free estrogens. That said, if you are really intent on avoiding an AI (I don't blame you), the next step would be a dose reduction. Alternatively, you could try a more frequent injection protocol, which seems to lower aromatase activity in most. ED injections are really not as bad as they sound, as long as you use insulin needles.

 

[Bikeman]

I agree with Will, do you get wood when you need it. I have no erection problems but my nightime and morning wood is ' up and down ' - Sometimes I can pole vault out of bed, the next day my face is flat on the pillow