TRT in Canada if borderline Testosterone and Prolactin?

I’m in Canada (late 50’s) and as I have many of the low-T symptoms (fatigue, poor motivation, no drive, flat mood). I went to WellnessHaus to get a bloodwork requisition and hopefully start TRT. Here are my labs

Prolactin: 20 µg/L (20 ng/mL)
Total T: 20.7 nmol/L (~596 ng/dL).
Free T: 391 pmol/L (~11.3 ng/dL).

I was told that the prolactin was “high” (18+ is considered high) and I should talk to my GP about an MRI. But from what I’ve read, most doctors here don’t even think MRI until prolactin is much much higher. I asked if getting my prolactin down or if I convinced my GP to request an MRI that said I don’t have a tumour would be enough, they then said they usually won’t prescribe unless total T is under 11 nmol/L (~317 ng/dL). That to me sounds like the levels a conservative GP would use, not an optimization clinic.

My gut feeling is because I’m borderline low testosterone they may have considered prescribing TRT with my symptoms, but they are hiding behind the “high” prolactin” for maybe liability reasons?
I’d really like to hear from anyone who was in the same range (T around 550–600 ng/dL, prolactin slightly high… or even one and not the other) and still got TRT in Canada — which clinic helped you? Or even U.S. guys with similar numbers who got approved, just so I know it’s possible.
 
High prolactin can cause your symptoms!
Your testosterone is not borderline.

Do you take any medications?
Thanks for your reply. No medications. I am surprised if 20 causes significant symptoms considering 18 is considered high normal. I have RBC, WBC below normal range and my doctor just shrugs. My platelets are 80 while normal is 150-400 and my doctor says your probably won’t notice any problems unless you are under 50. So I find it odd that anyone thinks prolactin that is 10% outside the range is concerning.

As far as testosterone levels, I should have clarified…. Yes it’s probably normal based on health Canada official ranges, but borderline for a clinic that attempts to optimize energy and libido. I have heard many think men should be 30-35 to feel closer to their peak. The odd thing is 3 years ago I had it tested (long before I’d heard of TRT) and my level was at 12. I have less energy, exercise less, and sleep a lot less (was getting 5.5h on average back then but it is under 4.5h a night these days - just can’t get back to sleep after I wake up). All these things, I thought, affected testosterone negatively. So I’m surprised the number now is as high as 20. The only thing I’ve done is eat a keto ish diet, with a lot more red meat. But I haven’t read anything about a carnivore diet affecting Testosterone.
 
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You are right about your prolactin being only slightly above range. Also opinions vary about T optimization.
Imo the information about your nutrition might be crucial. I recommend you try cyclic keto including 1-2 days per week where you eat 'normal' reloading on carbs. Did you get a test for fT3 and fT4?

There are few members here on carnivore diet who can give additional advice. @FunkOdyssey
 
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Prolactin works against dopamine, so it can contribute to the symptoms you describe. According to Dr. Saya, and also in my experience, in some men even prolactin over 10 ng/mL can cause issues. Perhaps it depends on the level that's appropriate for the individual's physiology. There's a simple test for it: run a trial with micro-doses of cabergoline. This could be something like 50-100 µg twice a week. Knock prolactin down to about 5 ng/mL and see if it makes a difference.
 
Yes, prolactin does work "against" dopamine in the sense that dopamine inhibits prolactin secretion, while prolactin increases dopamine release. This creates a negative feedback loop: when prolactin levels are high, they stimulate the hypothalamus to release more dopamine, which then suppresses further prolactin release. Conversely, when dopamine levels are low, prolactin production and release increase, a situation that can be caused by conditions like hypothyroidism, certain medications, or disruptions to the dopamine pathway.
 
Yes, prolactin does work "against" dopamine in the sense that dopamine inhibits prolactin secretion, while prolactin increases dopamine release. This creates a negative feedback loop: when prolactin levels are high, they stimulate the hypothalamus to release more dopamine, which then suppresses further prolactin release. Conversely, when dopamine levels are low, prolactin production and release increase, a situation that can be caused by conditions like hypothyroidism, certain medications, or disruptions to the dopamine pathway.

If you stop there one might think that elevated prolactin equals more dopamine activity. Nope.

Modestly high levels of prolactin can reduce dopamine activity in men. Prolactin and dopamine have an inverse relationship in the brain, primarily regulated through the hypothalamic-pituitary axis. Elevated prolactin levels, even if modestly high, can inhibit dopamine release by acting on dopamine-producing neurons in the hypothalamus, particularly via feedback mechanisms involving the tuberoinfundibular dopamine (TIDA) pathway. This suppression occurs because prolactin stimulates TIDA neurons, which release dopamine to inhibit further prolactin secretion, but this process can temporarily reduce dopamine availability in other brain regions.
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Below are specific studies and sources that support the claim that even modest prolactin elevations (e.g., within the upper-normal range or slightly above) can dampen dopamine signaling, potentially affecting mood, motivation, or sexual function in men. These studies highlight the inverse relationship between prolactin and dopamine and the resulting effects on male physiology and psychology.​
  1. Ben-Jonathan, N., & Hnasko, R. (2001). Dopamine as a Prolactin (PRL) Inhibitor. Endocrine Reviews, 22(6), 724–763. https://doi.org/10.1210/edrv.22.6.0451
    • Relevance: This review article details the inhibitory role of dopamine on prolactin secretion via D2 receptors on pituitary lactotrophs. It explains that elevated prolactin levels can reduce dopamine activity through feedback mechanisms, as prolactin stimulates tuberoinfundibular dopamine (TIDA) neurons, which may lead to a temporary reduction in dopamine availability in other brain regions. This dopamine suppression can contribute to symptoms such as reduced libido and mood disturbances in men, even with modest prolactin elevations. The study notes that hyperprolactinemia, including mild cases, is a major neuroendocrine cause of reproductive disturbances in men, which includes sexual dysfunction.
  2. Lennartsson, A. K., Billig, H., & Jonsdottir, I. H. (2014). Burnout is associated with elevated prolactin levels in men but not in women. Journal of Psychosomatic Research, 76(5), 380–383.
    • Relevance: This study found that elevated prolactin levels, even within the upper-normal range or slightly above, were associated with burnout in men, a condition linked to psychological stress and reduced motivation. The study suggests that modestly elevated prolactin (e.g., 20–40 ng/mL) may disrupt dopamine signaling, contributing to depressive-like symptoms and reduced motivation in men. The authors propose that stress-induced prolactin elevation affects dopamine pathways, which are critical for mood regulation.
  3. Elgellaie, A., Larkin, T., Kaelle, J., Mills, J., & Thomas, S. (2021). Plasma prolactin is higher in major depressive disorder and females, and associated with anxiety, hostility, somatization, psychotic symptoms and heart rate. Psychoneuroendocrinology, 127, 105195.
    • Relevance: This study demonstrates that higher prolactin levels, including those in the upper-normal range, are associated with mood disorders such as major depressive disorder (MDD) in men. It specifically links prolactin elevation to reduced dopamine signaling, which can manifest as anxiety, hostility, and somatization (e.g., fatigue, headaches). The study suggests that even modest prolactin increases can disrupt dopamine-mediated pathways, impacting mood and motivation in men.
  4. humanpeople (2024). Prolactin and its impact on testosterone, dopamine, libido, mood and motivation in men. humanpeople.co
    • Relevance: This source discusses how modestly elevated prolactin levels (e.g., slightly above normal) can suppress dopamine signaling, leading to reduced libido, mood disturbances, and lower motivation in men. It highlights that prolactin's inverse relationship with dopamine can disrupt neurotransmitter pathways, contributing to symptoms like erectile dysfunction and decreased energy, even in cases of mild hyperprolactinemia. The article emphasizes that these effects occur due to prolactin's inhibition of dopamine in the hypothalamic-pituitary axis.
  5. Melmed, S., Casanueva, F. F., Hoffman, A. R., et al. (2011). Diagnosis and treatment of hyperprolactinemia: An Endocrine Society clinical practice guideline. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, 96(2), 273–288. https://doi.org/10.1210/jc.2010-1692
    • Relevance: This clinical guideline confirms that even mild hyperprolactinemia (prolactin levels slightly above the normal range, e.g., 20–50 ng/mL) can cause symptoms in men, including reduced libido, erectile dysfunction, and infertility, due to decreased dopamine signaling and subsequent suppression of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). The guideline notes that these effects are mediated by prolactin's feedback on dopamine pathways, which can reduce dopamine activity in the brain, impacting sexual function and mood.
Summary of Findings
These studies collectively demonstrate that even modest elevations in prolactin (within the upper-normal range or slightly above, e.g., 20–50 ng/mL) can dampen dopamine signaling in men. This occurs primarily through prolactin's stimulation of TIDA neurons, which reduces dopamine availability in other brain regions, leading to:​
  • Mood disturbances: Elevated prolactin is linked to depressive symptoms, anxiety, and reduced motivation, as seen in studies on burnout and MDD.
  • Sexual dysfunction: Mild hyperprolactinemia can suppress GnRH, reducing testosterone and causing libido loss and erectile dysfunction.
  • Motivation and energy: Prolactin's effect on dopamine pathways can lead to reduced motivation and energy levels, often associated with stress or burnout.
 
If you stop there one might think that elevated prolactin equals more dopamine activity. Nope.

Modestly high levels of prolactin can reduce dopamine activity in men. Prolactin and dopamine have an inverse relationship in the brain, primarily regulated through the hypothalamic-pituitary axis. Elevated prolactin levels, even if modestly high, can inhibit dopamine release by acting on dopamine-producing neurons in the hypothalamus, particularly via feedback mechanisms involving the tuberoinfundibular dopamine (TIDA) pathway. This suppression occurs because prolactin stimulates TIDA neurons, which release dopamine to inhibit further prolactin secretion, but this process can temporarily reduce dopamine availability in other brain regions.
....
Below are specific studies and sources that support the claim that even modest prolactin elevations (e.g., within the upper-normal range or slightly above) can dampen dopamine signaling, potentially affecting mood, motivation, or sexual function in men. These studies highlight the inverse relationship between prolactin and dopamine and the resulting effects on male physiology and psychology.​
  1. Ben-Jonathan, N., & Hnasko, R. (2001). Dopamine as a Prolactin (PRL) Inhibitor. Endocrine Reviews, 22(6), 724–763. https://doi.org/10.1210/edrv.22.6.0451
    • Relevance: This review article details the inhibitory role of dopamine on prolactin secretion via D2 receptors on pituitary lactotrophs. It explains that elevated prolactin levels can reduce dopamine activity through feedback mechanisms, as prolactin stimulates tuberoinfundibular dopamine (TIDA) neurons, which may lead to a temporary reduction in dopamine availability in other brain regions. This dopamine suppression can contribute to symptoms such as reduced libido and mood disturbances in men, even with modest prolactin elevations. The study notes that hyperprolactinemia, including mild cases, is a major neuroendocrine cause of reproductive disturbances in men, which includes sexual dysfunction.
  2. Lennartsson, A. K., Billig, H., & Jonsdottir, I. H. (2014). Burnout is associated with elevated prolactin levels in men but not in women. Journal of Psychosomatic Research, 76(5), 380–383.
    • Relevance: This study found that elevated prolactin levels, even within the upper-normal range or slightly above, were associated with burnout in men, a condition linked to psychological stress and reduced motivation. The study suggests that modestly elevated prolactin (e.g., 20–40 ng/mL) may disrupt dopamine signaling, contributing to depressive-like symptoms and reduced motivation in men. The authors propose that stress-induced prolactin elevation affects dopamine pathways, which are critical for mood regulation.
  3. Elgellaie, A., Larkin, T., Kaelle, J., Mills, J., & Thomas, S. (2021). Plasma prolactin is higher in major depressive disorder and females, and associated with anxiety, hostility, somatization, psychotic symptoms and heart rate. Psychoneuroendocrinology, 127, 105195.
    • Relevance: This study demonstrates that higher prolactin levels, including those in the upper-normal range, are associated with mood disorders such as major depressive disorder (MDD) in men. It specifically links prolactin elevation to reduced dopamine signaling, which can manifest as anxiety, hostility, and somatization (e.g., fatigue, headaches). The study suggests that even modest prolactin increases can disrupt dopamine-mediated pathways, impacting mood and motivation in men.
  4. humanpeople (2024). Prolactin and its impact on testosterone, dopamine, libido, mood and motivation in men. humanpeople.co
    • Relevance: This source discusses how modestly elevated prolactin levels (e.g., slightly above normal) can suppress dopamine signaling, leading to reduced libido, mood disturbances, and lower motivation in men. It highlights that prolactin's inverse relationship with dopamine can disrupt neurotransmitter pathways, contributing to symptoms like erectile dysfunction and decreased energy, even in cases of mild hyperprolactinemia. The article emphasizes that these effects occur due to prolactin's inhibition of dopamine in the hypothalamic-pituitary axis.
  5. Melmed, S., Casanueva, F. F., Hoffman, A. R., et al. (2011). Diagnosis and treatment of hyperprolactinemia: An Endocrine Society clinical practice guideline. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, 96(2), 273–288. https://doi.org/10.1210/jc.2010-1692
    • Relevance: This clinical guideline confirms that even mild hyperprolactinemia (prolactin levels slightly above the normal range, e.g., 20–50 ng/mL) can cause symptoms in men, including reduced libido, erectile dysfunction, and infertility, due to decreased dopamine signaling and subsequent suppression of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). The guideline notes that these effects are mediated by prolactin's feedback on dopamine pathways, which can reduce dopamine activity in the brain, impacting sexual function and mood.
Summary of Findings
These studies collectively demonstrate that even modest elevations in prolactin (within the upper-normal range or slightly above, e.g., 20–50 ng/mL) can dampen dopamine signaling in men. This occurs primarily through prolactin's stimulation of TIDA neurons, which reduces dopamine availability in other brain regions, leading to:​
  • Mood disturbances: Elevated prolactin is linked to depressive symptoms, anxiety, and reduced motivation, as seen in studies on burnout and MDD.
  • Sexual dysfunction: Mild hyperprolactinemia can suppress GnRH, reducing testosterone and causing libido loss and erectile dysfunction.
  • Motivation and energy: Prolactin's effect on dopamine pathways can lead to reduced motivation and energy levels, often associated with stress or burnout.

Yes, the inverse relationship between dopamine and prolactin is a well-established regulatory mechanism in the body. Elevated prolactin levels generally indicate lower dopamine activity because dopamine acts as the primary inhibitor of prolactin secretion. This regulatory loop is vital for various physiological processes, most notably reproductive health.
 

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